Except that Stalin for all his evil deeds actually accomplished many positive things, he industrialized an entire nation in a very short amount of time and turned a largely peasant agricultural country into an industrial superpower which was able to produce bazillions of tanks, guns and aircraft and eventually beat Nazi Germany.

What did Hitler accomplish by the Holocaust? He might of stolen a lot of money and property by destroying most of the European Jewry, but he never built anything positive through those acts.

Also those who think Nazi Germany was superior to the USSR is really an idiot who is illiterate to history, you only have to see the production figures of the USSR through it's first five-year plan, meanwhile Germany actually went backwards under Hitler - who ignored it's debt (which is why Germany's debt from WWII took decades after the war to even be repaid), and eventually of course he destroyed most of Europe.

It seems that many in Ukraine buy this whole "Nazi's were better than Soviets" lie, which is why they have groups like Right Sector.

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you ?:) That may come as surprise but there were people that seen both nazi and USSR occupation and, according to them, Nazis were awful but russians were by far the worst.
As for Right Sector - i don't know in what reality you're living in, but in this one all that they have done is fighting against (mostly russian) troops in the East, that's hardly a fascism as you tend to suggest. And there isno eating of russian babies or killing peaceful russian-speaking people. Which kind of makes sense since half of RS are russian-speaking.

Right-Sector is a fascist organization, there's really no way around that fact. The fact that they fight Russian troops doesn't change that fact, it just means they're going for the "fight the invader" sympathy card. Did you know Golden Dawn in Greece hand out bread to the poor? Doesn't change that they're still a bunch of fascists.
Yes it does come as a surprise because the USSR is probably responsible for building most of the economy and infrastructure/industry that exists in Ukraine today, I dunno how many roads did the Nazi's build in Ukraine btw? I'm sure they needed some in order to deport the Jewish population to concentration camps right?

All I'm saying is that comparing the USSR, which I don't support, and the fucking Nazi's, is delusional. Read a history book.

I'm really amused by the fact that so many people think US is responsible for all the shit in the world. For all the crap US has pulled throughout history, I really don't think they have time and resources to orchestrate such small plays when they have bigger fish to fry. It's sad that people resume to such pathetic levels to justify and excuse their own insecurities.
You know, Stalin was responsible for more Russian deaths than Hitler. I'm not sure how much industrialization counts when the citizens are abused, starving, used as meatwalls, poor as hell, living in terrible conditions, and have the education of a 1st grader and everywhere censorship is in place. There was a picture of Stalin with a little 6 year old girl depicting him as a loving leader. The same girl was one year later in one of his work camps.
Stalin is responsible for much of Russia's current defective culture. Industrialization is good as long as it doesn't destroy your own people. And let's not even talk about how the military was vastly advantaged over the common citizen.

The illiterate one here is you. In "Nazi" Germany the unemployment rate was of 0% because literally everybody was employed in some way. Retarded leadership decisions aside and an obvious nationalism that lead Hitler to racism, he successfully got Germany out of a depression where 1 dollar was worth thousands and thousands of German marks to an even play field, and all of this was done in less than a decade. No other country recovered as fast in history.
The downfall of Germany was also what rose it to power. Patriotism turned to nationalism. By inspiring them with nationalism he convinced them to go through hardship and rebuild the economy, then when the war turned the other way around for them Hitler convinced them to pretty much go on suicide battles. It's a pure psychological thing. Hitler, similar to Niccolo Machiavelli, was an extremely persuasive individual. He was on the other hand in no way fit to be a military leader.

He?
US built war plants for him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan

Current situation in Ukraine is the same 1 in 1, ruin country then put anti-russian nazists in the power.

The recovery of Germany was so awful that Hitler HAD to go to war otherwise the whole economy would collapse by 1940s.
Nazi Germany was inefficient, completely bankrupt, geared towards war production not national economy development that it had no right to exist and only the Hitler's skills as a charismatic leader and political terror and propaganda of Nazi party managed to keep the country in working condition,
Furthermore, Jewish gold and other assets nicely funded a lot of government expenses.

The 0% unemployment is actually nice example of how bad economy really was. Unemployment rate dropping below couple of percent is damaging to the economy as it employers cant find people to work, are wasting resources on unproductive employees as they have not choice. Small scale issues arising from that spread across whole economy and in time will collapse it if the issue is not solved. True 0% unemployment is not possible without government actually forcing people to work, or employing people while they don't actually do anything.

Prison labour was a 'nice' solution to the issue. and then during the war robbery of Poland, Czech, France.


The myth that Nazi Germany was economic power comes from the fact that the country like you said managed to became a threat in a decade and then for six years fought against so many countries. It became really prevalent during sixties (they even made Star Trek episode about that I think) but the more historians and economists actually looked at the situation the more it became evident that the economic power was very short lived.
Also for first two years of the war USSR was German's ally supporting them with fuel and other resources. The huge but inefficient economy of USSR provided German economy with so needed resources below the market prices and in return USSR got German products below the market prices. All those benefits from the trade where put to use towards the war allowing Germany to fight later on when Stalin and Hitler decided to part ways.

Renaissance: Mother Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip4kDFemdts

Pays the price, works the seasons through
Frozen days, he thinks of you
Cold as ice, but he burns for you
Mother Russia, can't you hear him too?

Mother's son, freedom's overdue
Lonely man, he thinks of you
He isn't done, only lives for you
Mother Russia, can't you hear him too?

Punished for his written thoughts
Starving for his fame
Working blindly, building blocks
Number for a name
His blood flows, frozen to the snow

Red blood, white snow
He knows, frozen rivers won't flow
So cold, so true
Mother Russia, he cries for you

"Why you punish us, we only helped Hitler."

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5814270/the-successful-70-year-campaign-to-convince-people-the-usa-and-not

It's a myth. Have a read - it's in polish but you can use google translate.
http://www.obserwatorfinansowy.pl/tematyka/makroekonomia/mit-gospodarczego-sukcesu-iii-rzeszy/

What worries me is that public debt of Germany in 1939 was 46% GDP and war broke out. And how much is debt of Poland, Germany, UK, US today? Any country spending (long term) less than taxes collected and at least stabilize its public debt? I think that at a certain point of time all those debts WILL be nulliefied (NOT repayed - it's not possible) - hopefuly by by economic means (like inflation) and not by war.

well you started the war with Germany so yeah... it was your responsibility to finish it.

Oh Poland eh?

how did Poland fuck up Czechoslovakia? and USSR invade Poland together with German just few days later. Massacred the army forcing the country to fight on both fronts.
and then when two armies met in the middle of the country generals had a nice drink and later Germany, save and secured on eastern front could concentrate on France without needing to stabilize a fairly big country like Poland cause half of it was under Soviet occupation.

Soviets did start world war 2. The war would have never escalated to what it did without Stalin backing Hitler for years.

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He is talking about Zaolzie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaolzie