What hatred against Russian? Russian government, maybe. this is the thread about something Russia is involved with (directly as per Western side or indirectly as per Russian side) so blaming the government or supporting it is appropriate.

and regards to who started the war. it is important as is important who did most of the job of finishing the war. it does have an impact on whats going on right now in Ukraine.

yeah. but is that considered as a fuck up of Czechoslovakia? a tiny piece of the country without bigger strategic importance did not affect the country at all.

definitely fuck up by Polish government. How brain dead they had to be to even participate in that agreement? Seems like they did it out of spite. which is just sad.

I love you logic.
1920th - ruined Germany under French, Belgian and US full control over economical system. They could decide which government would get money and on which terms.
1930th - Germany has top notch war plants and US patents (in ten years they got better aviation than US. Where did they get money and time on research?)

But war nonetheless was caused by Stalin's attempt to form peace treaty with Hitler. Priceless logic.

As for Poland - Russia has looong history of dealing with this country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Russian_War

They have strong imperial ambitions, but a bit too prideful to rule over big territories.

not just peace treaty. Trade and you know: The invasion of Poland? The german and soviet soldiers saluted each other in few places. and then for next two years Stalin supported German war efforts in the west

And fought the war with Finland remember? Did try the same thing germany and poland did to czechoslovakia.

and lol at your comment about strong imperial ambitions. I guess that's true. Poland was major central european player till Germany, Austria and Russia conquered it and divided it between each other. So that time it was like every other country involved in trying to expand its territory. Not sure whats your point with that comment so can you please elaborate?

For 15 years since WW1 Hitler and his party were bottlefeeded. Not by Stalin, by US which gave money and materials for building plants, gave techs which resulted in Luftwaffe and Tigers.
How could Stalin deal with this? Launch attack on Germany? He even wasn't in the power at the time.

He dealt with consequences - German army built on US money under chosen by US government (Hitler's party was sponsored by US banks).

Stalin tried everything to postpone war, but it was inevitable, and thus Stalin did preparations.
War with Finland - border was in 40km from one of the main Russian cities, enough to effortlessly put artillery and bomb city. Russia offered to Finland fair exchange, some land there to comparable land in different place, but they refused.
Poland treated non-polish people as livestock, they were quite nazistic, especially anti-slavic.
Polish "Honour" got meaning "Гонор" = "Arrogance".
Not a wonder than Poland had anti-USSR pact with Hitler.
You can read typical pole from these times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

A what?

As far as I know somewhere around 1935-1398 Hitler planned Poland to join anti-communist pact (together with Japan and Italy) but it was rejected by our goverment - multiple times.

And I hope you are aware that Poland and USSR had anti-agression agreement signed in 1934 who was to be valid until 1945 and yet USSR signed infamous Ribbentrop-Mołotow pact in 1939 according to which USSR did ...what they did on 17 September.

EDIT: Just one more note..You blame US for giving $ to Hitler - guess who was selling them mineral resources.

All in all: Hitler, Stalin, Communism, Nazizm - it's all the same from my perspective. They offered only death, fear, anty-humanity. Which leaves me with question: why Hiter/Nazism is banned in Germany and Stalin/Communism is, by some at least, glorified in Russia.

You do realize that the main employer was the government, right? Production of war material was pretty much the main area in which Hitler was looking to bolster.

I'm sorry, but I am not quite sure why countries who simply fell under the German rule due to weak military power have to do anything with this. All Hungary had during world war 2 were extremists, Czechoslovakia was pretty much just anexed, and will you drop that pathetic aggression towards Poland?

And here's a fun fact for you, hypocritical kid. Russia fueled National Socialist Germany with petrol and gases needed for war efforts. You pretty much gave them the resources to go to war. Might as well let's all blame Russia for World War 2.


Your anti-US propaganda is pathetic. If you spent as much time researching as your spend puking this Putinist nonsense you would know the "US money" were loans, and guess what? The entirety of Europe had those loans! Almost all the European countries affected by WW1 applied for these loans. Do us all a favor and get out. You're a brainwashed propaganda puppet of Putin and nothing else.

As an addition to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact
Secret pact was signed 25 Feb 1934, mentioned here:
https://books.google.ru/books?id=zwgABAAAQBAJ&pg=PA375

Overall some observation of pre-WW2 period:
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusblog31.blogspot.ru%2F2012%2F07%2Fblog-post_5148.html&edit-text=&act=url

Stalin was a pathetic little dictator who had the small dog complex like Napoleon Bonaparte and wanted to conquer as much of Eastern Europe as he could.

The Winter War was not even a war. It was a men slaughter. It was so one sided. Finland - 25 thousand deaths Russia - 1 million deaths. Russia still won, but at what price?

You Russians just love hating on Poland, don't you?

Nah, it's not exclusive. They also hate Ukraine, USA, Canada, Georgia and many others without any reason.

I'm sorry but have all this book says that some French newspaper printed in 1935 PURPORTED text of this agreement. Please notice that few lines lower author writes that another newspaper reprinted this "document" (with quotation marks included) few days later. It's clear to me that author didn't find any confirmation that such document exists.

There is a nice article here (the guy hosted some very nice historical TV programs) about how this rumor could start.
http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/wiadomosc.html?kat=12471&wid=8484693&rfbawp=1157101167.404&ticaid=1257f

EDIT: I want to ask you a question - just don't get me wrong, I have nothing against people of Russia I'm just curious: Is this 'Poland supported Hitler' a widely spread theory among Russians or it's just you?

Propaganda :)
What do you know about communism?
In short, it means: government owns everything, people work for free =( 100% taxes) and get everything for free - education, food, medication, housing,

Because it wasn't possible to achieve at times, there was socialism - government did own everything, but money were implemented - so you could motivate people to harder job with better payment.

Humanitarian capitalism also goes to communism - food stamps, free shelters, free medication from people like Bill Gates

Socialism's problem was in management and social lifts.
When plant needed to send representative to government, most useless person was chosen (to not ruin management at place) As a result of cherrypicking imbeciles into government for 2-3 generation, we got lazy management which controlled everything.
There was problem with getting innovation - you needed to conform it with ministry of planning (government owns everything, remember?).
Result:
Plant A and Plant B produce 1000 cars each. A invented innovation, which would let it produce 2000 cars.
Lazy ministry of planning refuse to let implement it - dealing with distribution of additional cars from Plant A, fired workers from plant B, its logistics...
As a result USSR always was step behind in tech for mass-production.
On the other hand, we had amazing social policies, which let small ethnics prosper. Russia is a house to almost 200 nationalities, we never had segregation, we had black general before US existed, and so on.
For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia
Look at the hit they got after the end of "soviet occupation", there are now less estonians than in 1922.
Same with Lithuania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Lithuania
Ukraine...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

As for bad things... It was harsh time everywhere.
But I don't know why Gulag is no longer exists and no one bats an eye over Guantanomo?
Jokes about "In soviet Russia TV watches you" and real life initiatives like Prism...

And which EU country now do self-profitable politic?
Bulgaria lost South stream
Germany can't return their gold from US, Merkel instantly shut up when US spying was uncovered.
Greece is close to default because given to them quotas below their needs.
France can't give us Mistrals - which ruins their reliance. As a result India cancelled $20B deal.
Baltic countries spend billions on useless military tech from Nato. Yeah, it is justified for population that "Russia is an aggressor".

From my own experience? Not much - and good for me. Being born in 1975 I witnessed some 'light-weighted' version of it..and I didn't like it.
You talk about economy but it is not why I despise both systems. It's because millions of political prisoners in USSR, about millions of dead Jews/Poles/Gypsies in Oświęcim, about lack of civil liberty, about waking up hate among people, about Hitler/Stalin both mentally sick who lead their nations to world war which cost dozens milions lives and hauses ruined.
Haven't Russia also increased its military budget? With all those countries spending billions of $ on armaments my worst fear is that one day another Hitler/Stalin finds 'better' way of using it than showing it on parades

Let me clarify - I meant as "Poland" Polish government, which tried to be independent player, help Hitler here, get advantage there.

Donald Day
Chicago Daily Tribune
24 Feb 1938
http://i.imgur.com/FUSmayp.png

Facts:
German + Poland divided Czechoslovakia together
Poland could enlist up to 3,5mln army. Germany had 1,8m on border with Poland. Poland had ~1mln, while didn't expect attack from USSR (it was tied with Japan at time).
Poland didn't use anti-tank UR rifles which could one-shot German tanks.
Government fled. Why? They didn't expect "treason" from their "ally".

Please read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaolzie

It was very intricate situation. We took Zaolzie in 1938 (not very nice card in our history) but it was arbitrarily (without plebiscite) given to Czechovakia in 1920 by France/UK etc.. We couldn't oppose as we had other problems at this time (USSR invasion).

But sticking to this: Poland split Czechosloviaka with Hitler (we annexed ca. 800 km^2) = Poland cooperated with Hitler I assume that you agree to the statement that USSR also was Hitler's bigger ally coz Stalin took half of Poland a year later? :-P

As for your other facts (about soldiers and anti-tank rifles UR) I'm sorry I don't follow.

It's a fact that weapon manufacturers get huge profit from selling weapon.
Traders invest into creation of new markets.
With Russia no longer being a superpower, #1 weapon exporter suddenly lost most of it Nato market.
How someone like Lockheed Martin would sell billion dollar jets?
So, when Russia regained conciousness near the end of 90th, "someone" started investing into creating conflicts in and near our territory with demonization in press.

Chechnya is portrayed as "poor region, which wanted independence". It became lawless region with slave trading, narcotic trafficking and contraband (they had airport which didn't have custom). These bandits became "honourable warriors". Though when they got US passports, some of these honourable warriors caused bombing on Boston marathon, so press somewhat dropped mentioning them.

Georgia - textbook case. Nato instructors, nato weapons, order to attack was issued by US citizen Saakashvili.
Ukraine... Saakashvili jumped on Maidan, now works in Kiev's government.

And during these problems weapon export grow, because "bloodthirsty Russia".