How about no? I'm giving my best not to take it on the people, but truth is, I have no whatsoever sympathy for Russia. If you have to suffer, so shall it be! This was sent to you from us for safekeeping as allies. You were supposed to return it after WW1. Guess what? That treasure could easily boost Romania's current economic state. But why is it not at us? Well, Kinda funny, but Russia decided to keep a very good portion of it. Officially becoming a world power, your infamous country decided to not return what belonged to the small dogs. Besides other stuff that I clearly pointed out in posts, this and taking territory from us to give it to Ukraine made us suffer for generations. Kinda funny is the fact that even to this day there are still negotiations with Russia when will they return what belongs to us, that that retarded faggot called Putin stalls the every single FUCKING time. So no. I won't even bother to consider who's fault is it until your country doesn't return what's ours. Our wealth and culture are at you, and if we shall never see them back, then I won't even give a fuck if at some point in history the entire Russia will fall. I'm all for keeping it civil, but don't you dare to tell me to "consider" Russia's position when we have been abused by them. Not to even mention it was because of Russia we ended up a communist dictatorship and even more of our history wand culture was destroyed in the process.

Man, that guy is working in Environmental Protection for Gazprom. Its much more laugh on its own, than if you'll suggest BP instead. And his example explain why it's so disastrous pretty well. Too wordy from your side in short, simply not worth it.

(How come that tread still have that misguiding name btw? Or local forums engine make it unable to rename?)

I'm stating basic interests. He told me to question why in the context where Russia made the life shittier for millions of Romanian citizens throughout the last century. I explained why I don't even want to or care to consider Russia's stance in this Ukrainian conflict, or whatever they call it now since it's painted in all sort of colors. I also don't see the full connection with the environmental protection of Gazprom in this context.

Oh, it was just a measure of incompetence given in example. Just in this case its a usual "pearls before swines", surely its up to you, in case you're find it needed still.
Btw with this approach you're looks slightly drawn into whataboutism bog. I had read the convo, so i know its not a real case, but you're can slide into it in a future, as it looks.

1. Gazprom implemented ISO-14000 in 2012, now I see in statistic for our filial that amount of pollution decreased by 20% and amount of garbage by up to 35%.
But main problem is still in general lack of pro-environment education in Russia as a whole. Throwing garbage into bins? "Nobody does that!".
2.I'm in no way historian. I don't like revolutionists either. My family lost quite a big chunk of earth. But it looks like this - Romania sent gold to tsar. Revolutionists pillaged it. By ~1930th almost nobody in charge was participant of initial revolution. Gold, possibly, was moved from country. So, they faced question - should they accept claims for crippling debt. I'm honest person, but if you come to me and say that "another Russian stole my million" I wouldn't give you my money.
Your country is not alone with gold problems.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-23/german-gold-stays-in-new-york-in-rebuff-to-euro-doubters.html
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/7/9_Game_Over_-_Its_All_A_Farce,_The_Fed_&_German_Gold_Is_Gone.html

It's not just gold, but jewels, books and ancient artifacts dating to the Dacians that are significant to Romanian culture. Funny thing is, Putin acknowledged these still exist. Where? Well, we don't know, that's for sure. And I despise the Communist revolution from 1917 with a passion. A bunch of sad guys thought that taking control of the government and messing with the world power is a smart thing. Same bunch of crap like Robespierre of the French Revolution. A faggot who got hold of the power and started doing whatever he wanted.

Forget Ukraine, Russia has a more important problem, they lost contact to the geckos they sent into space to have sex:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b436uUuf_VI

Link was restored 26.07, we had 17 communication sessions since then.

Well it seems a good time to update a bit ;) Lots happened since the civilian airplane was shot down and 300 innocents murdered. By whom? Well.. we'll probably never know for sure. Only thing that is sure is that it is a war-crime... a long list of them too related to airplanes being shot down...

Sanction phase 3 has just recently been pushed through (as announced way in the beginning of this topic if Russia continued to supply vehicles and weapons to the terrorists/separatists) I think it's a bit much to assume that just the airplane attack itself was the cause of these sanctions, but the fact how Putin sponsored media displayed restraint in recent weeks probably played a big part too. (If you don't know what I mean, just watch any Russian TV channels ,p) It's like someone put drugs in the water or something.. haha

The media war continues to be waged and Russia is losing it in Europe. Europe becomes more and more anti-Russian which is largely related to the shot down airplane. That Russia did not even send condolences was seen as an admittance of guilt. And NL at least will probably hate Russia for centuries to come. (Not sure if that was Intended by Putin or not..) (I have no idea about the Russian side of the media war, but from what ye hear it's not pretty ,p)

On the other end Russia boycots US chicken (uh yeah, so does Europe but for other reasons ,p) and .. Polish.. apples? Even though Russia only produces 30% of it's yearly demand of apples. Guess Russians will eat less apples and chickens now. (in case of those chickens that might really be healthier for you! ;P)

Also Interesting. Study found Germany could become 100% Gas and Oil Independent by 2030 if it took 100 billion € in hand and pushed for major renewable energy and house/heating modernization. Chances are this won't happen unless Russia gives Germany reasons to REALLY doubt Russian oil and gas deliveries. Currently Russia is sending resources as always and gets paid as always. They can't even change the terms of the contracts.. so not much happening there.... 100billion is not that much for a 15 year project. Just an Interesting point that came up when Germany checked what it costs to become energy independent. The cost is lower the longer the gov doesn't specifically push for this too, but then it'll take till 2050+ ;)

Other stuff, the 50 billion $ judgment related to Yukos and how the state basically pwned the owners and investors of that company in order to further expand political reach on industry.... is not yet decided 100%, but chances are very high this judgment has effect in the Western world. Russia was not amused... ;P

The signs of this conflict further point to escalation. And the Ukraine is the whipping boy of global agendas now more than ever. While the west paints Russia more and more as big-bad-evil.. and Russia? I have still no idea what Russia is thinking. Their media is a 100% bullshit factory. And the west, has.. very selective awareness (as usual) ;p Though unlike what some people said here, you can't get a view on the other side of the conflict because reporting there is impossible.

All in all, very much happened this past week and nothing of it good for the Ukraine.

I am still baffled that Putin acts how he does... I can't fathom what he intents to achieve by antagonizing and uniting the EU. Before this crisis, you couldn't get the EU to agree on the color of banana packaging... so .. baffling in all ways.

Well, roughly they was sure what everything would work the same way as with similar attack on Georgia 080808. Nobody would go further than some "concerns" and that be it. And some shareholders in Germany etc would have some share, so all good guys will be happy and fine. In fact, while current stuff only moved from "concerned" to "deeply concerned", its already brought real havoc, as instigators was sure "it would be just like Ossetia, all will be fine, nobody would bother to interfere at all", and openly sayd that. Dunno what West used to harness Merkel, but looks like somethnig good this time. But EU have not only one Russian employee at top, so its not over yet for sure, while for Russia itself is lose-lose game already, and quite for some time.

Personally, I see situation like that - plane was shot down, the next day IMF says that they would give Ukraine money(they couldn't decide for months), western press goes apeshit on Russia.
Then, suddenly - satellite photos of Ukrainian Buks in the place of launch. Credit to Ukraine is postponed, one of Ukrainian chiefs resigned, press is silent.
Looks like unsuccessful provocation.
Check facts. Ruble/USD exchange rate was 33/1 in January, 36/1 in August. Ukrainian Hryvnia/USD 8/1 in January, 12/1 now (lost 50%). Who is under sanctions, again?
I don't doubt that smart people in EU see that sanctions are issued by USA to break bonds between Russia and EU and it is the only reason. Judge by results - laughable "you can't visit us".
The longer it goes the more chances West would see that Ukraine is the second Vietnam - supported by USA puppet government in civil war against their own people.
Check the precedent with Noga company - they won similar judgment and couldn't get much of it.
The winter is coming. Literally. Kiev has no money to pay for gas, and nobody going to support them for free. Taking credits from IMF like "free money" is a lack of education.
Antagonizing EU? Günther Oettinger and Putin made countless attempts to talk with Kiev. But they feel support from USA and western media and going nuts, sabotaging everything.
I expect another revolution in Ukraine next year and current government joining Saakashvili's department in USA institute.

aye, I meant European citizens with that. It's true that Kiev is not playing very nicely at the moment and EU gov is still talking with Russia. But what the EU does is based on elections, and public opinion is a powerful weapon.

2 things
Euro being weak is a huge economic boon for Germany. Never forget that ;) Pissing contest with Russia is always a good way to bring Euro down a bit. Obviously Ukraine has an economic problem though... the one who is losing in this the most is the Ukraine. That's for sure.

I don't think it'll ever be a 2nd Vietnam for the West (At this point I have to ask, who is the west to you? Because EU and US do not have same interests here at all) for the sole reason that the EU will never engage in a war with Russia, unless Russia like.. moves tanks into Poland or something. I mean with that, Russia would have to do something extremely insanely outrageous to trigger any "real" Nato or EU response.

In any way, this remains a very Interesting situation...

The now announced counter sanctions are only going to hurt Russians though. Don't quite get what the point of those is. Seems like a last-ditch effort. And gas still flows.

Polish apples are banned. Time for polish video game shops too?

where does this avatar come from?

looks like dr. zoidberg in real, i love dr. zoidberg.

I don't buy the Ukraine "civil war" spin.

I am sorry that the Russian people are, once again, being placed into a shitty position.

I am aware that the majority in Russia are behind their leader.

I am sorry that their leadership has failed them to where they need expansionist policies to feel good about themselves.

I don't understand why they need to gobble up neighbors, as they have plenty of land and resources.

I can understand their strategic insecurities, but I can't see why it would be in their interest to isolate themselves.

I don't know why they feel they haven't benefited, when indeed they are richer than ever.

I can't understand why they risk hard currency to piss and play.

I would rather spend a night on the town with Putin than Obama.

I hope this shit sorts itself out, as I do not like the idea of going back to a cold war mentality,.

I am quite sick of things I cannot just solve, so my best to everyone, everywhere.