I love KenFM, glad to see him being appreciated in a foreign country although I do not always share his opinion and have no love for the Russian government at all, not the least bit.

D' you mean something like Holland?
Sorry, what?
Oh? Nevermind then.

Another conspirologist theory here (warning: in French)

Conspiracy theory? Do yourself a favor and take a break from whatever you're smoking. How about you give us back our treasury and everything you stole? Riiiight. Conspiracy theory, except there are still people living here who remember the retarded stuff the Red Army committed on its march towards Germany through Romania. In any case, I'm not expecting any argument of value from you given you standing.
Ahem...more than 2 million German women raped after the fall of Berlin. Thousands of riches stolen from citizens of through which the Red Army crossed. What's unbelievably amusing is the fact you're either misinformed about your own country's contribution to WW2, or you're literally a nationalistic ignorant with whom I won't even bother.

Would asking for some actual proof (no, some random man saying his life is miserable because of the Soviets "because they are EVIL" won't cut it). Not saying those guys were angels with guns, but you might want to check your facts... unless they come from pop culture movies, that is. Fine by me, the dispute is hardly worth it anyway. We'll leave it at that.

I'm preoccupied with school work at the moment, but I will provide you with proof of what Russia stole from us and the deeds of the Red Army in less than 24 hours.

There's no rush, the whole thing is off-topic anyway.
Economics and information IMHO. Not sure what's to come first.

Try to find 20. episode of documenatary In Europa. It's all the proof you need. They were talking about that thing, rape of womans done by soviet soldiers in the end of World War 2.

I am sort of divided between this history of the Eastern Front.

On the one hand Nazi Germany was asking for it after what they did in Soviet Cities like Stalingrand and Leningrad.
But than again the Soviets did screwed over other Eastern Euro countries. I read when Poland was invaded by the Nazis, later on the Soviets invaded and attacked Poland from Behind while they were still fending of the Nazi wave.

But than the Eastern Front was pretyy much a brutal Dictator vs Dictator. The Americans and British were better off in the Western Front. I bet every Western Soldier had a great time when Paris France was liberated.

It will be like Deus Ex ;)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-24/eu-floats-russian-bank-finance-ban-as-ukraine-vote-nears.html

Such things could have taken place, yes, although not on such large scale. Guess what fate awaited those who were found guilty of such crimes.
That was war, after all, no time for discipline to slack, so they were made an example of.
Then I sure as hell hope I at least get to choose what corporation to be controlled by (thinking DX: Human Revolution here).

I hope you don't mind - i've enumerated your key points as with my answers inline it was a bit too hard to read, and even i'm not that evil to force you to do that :)


1. Russia doesn’t have any significant regulation, so we have ugly situation of journalists going apeshit crazy both pro-government and anti-government.
2. About third maydan. Initial take over square, people opinion, could’ve ended peacefully by staying till impeachment and legitimate elections. Shooting, which resulted in coup, is a provocation. It wasn’t started by old government – video footage shows that both civilians and police were the targets for snipers.
3. It benefits officials – struggle goes for couple of months, there weren’t any atrocities done by militants like “someone” did in Odessa, 2 May. Paint me surprised that investigation of this accident is very lenient. Official Kiev needed horrific accident to justify using of heavier weaponry or call for official help from their supervisor. Rerouting civil planes to the area until militants eventually would try to shoot it – plausible version, but isn’t failproof. Shooting on their own and blaming militants – more efficient way. Ukrainian military already have experience of shooting civil planes anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
4. For #2 http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/05/20/ukrain/ for foreigners - infographic shows volumes of export/import per region. Your claims of region “living on donations” is the same fact like Moscow being city with the biggest budget in the section “mineral extraction” – big companies pay their taxes in the capital. Even your article says that “Kiev generates 40% of Ukrainian budget because of taxes on plants”. Otherwise it would’ve been wise to, say, sell these lands to Russia, because they hinder your country.

1. We both know that's not truth:)
2. it WAS started by old government, there were/are documents supporting it - http://zik.ua/ua/news/2014/02/24/snayperamy_na_instytutskiy_buly_biytsi_spetspidrozdiliv_vv_ta_omega__moskal_464094
3. that would make sense if terrorist would have planes. Since they haven't, there is no point in having Buk's anywhere near, that would be extremely stupid as there would be huge chance that separatists would overake it. And please take few minutes to read this http://0serg.livejournal.com/146553.html
4. http://nashigroshi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/jpg016.jpg - this infographics shows how "profitable" are regions of ukraine. And you probably now that 39 people left lenta.ru because of censorship, don't you ?:) http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/13/lentaru/ . which kinda suggests that it's not most reliable source.

I understand that as a person who lives in Russia you would stand for your country, and that's the right thing to do - with no doubt i would do the same, but please don't use lies as an argument in discussion, that only helps the people you're arguing with :)

You should check not only "what happened", but "why happened" too.
Yes, USSR was strong and had imperial ambitions (Good intentions lead to hell). So USA built war plants for Hitler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan As a result of this plan USA got stocks in most German plants, then evacuated scientists and engineers after WW2. (USSR captured some too, wouldn't argue against it) - so win-win-win for them. Plants, top tier people, reparations, heavy death toll in both USSR and land Europe - England wasn't really affected, because Hitler got enough jets and submarines to reliable fight with them only in 44 (source - book of US general,can look for title if interested).
It wasn't the first time we had world war in Europe with Russia - WW1. Bismarck united Germany, and not the last role was played by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerson_von_Bleichröder
Bismarck bequeathed "Never fight against Russia", he foresaw huge war and fall of Germany. Because he knew terms of credit he got from England.
And now you don't want to work with Russia. "Divide Europe and conquer".
Like we do.
1. Эхо Москвы, Новая газета и Дождь откровенно антиправительственные. Это из тех, что на слуху.
2. "Evidences" without "top secret" stamps and signs? Sorry, I can make similar evidence that Godzilla was supposed to attack Maydan.
3. That's interesting question, right? Source from official ukrainian army said that it could be accident during their training http://ria.ru/world/20140725/1017459906.html And some more links about anti-militant version in this post https://www.facebook.com/TheOliverStone/posts/815753228448978
4. I'd like to question your IQ, if you don't mind - your article clearly states that Kiev is profitable only because it is the city where your country gather taxes from big companies. I repeated this. Lenta said exactly the same thing. It gives links to your Gosstat. It isn't reliable too?
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Personally, I think that we live in interesting time - advancement of technology means that states in their current form slowly dissipate.
I'd like to quote Christopher Stasheff - Only technology limits democracy.
And now we have quite good technology - Internet and advanced e-money.
Let's model situation - I, genial environmental specialist, make a post on "gofundme" about "I'm very good, and saving Big Barrier Reef for future generations is my dream job", give me money for ticket and visa, please. Would it work? Probably. Then on Patreon similar post, "I need money for food and shelter, here are pics of me working". And I'm set for life, working my dream job and people knowing that they make significant impact by investing into right person on right place.
On bigger scale - teams of scientists can ask on kickstarter about purchasing equipment or moving to area without stupid laws (like prohibited research of stem cells) with similar Patreon funding. It would eradicate struggle with asking for money from stupid bureaucrats.
It took for Bill Gates billions to almost fully eradicate some illnesses. It would have taken like 1% of people making $1k investments to get the same result.
We are at the point where we can kickstarter not only games, but ask for shows and films with specific cast and director, at the point where great teachers and parents can be Patreon'd to work with orphans instead of working for profit.
We are at the point where we can kickstarter plants and even cities.
And what stops us? Only artificially seeded hatred.

Согласен. И по крайней мере дождь постоянно пищит что их притесняют. Это не считая идиотских законов в думе из-за которых скоро даже бзднуть свободно низзя будет)

Well, all of snipers were from ukrainian special forces, that's a fact. You think someone else besides government could lead them to shoot at (at that point armless, that's also a fact) people ?

i seriously doubt that source - doing training in, basically, warzone would be absolutely idiotic. Also, what about the tweets and posts from separatists about them shooting the airplane and then deleting all of those ?

Actually, this is what I got to know first hand and is no rumour.
Every single one of my many female relatives that were over 12 (!) years old back then was raped by Russian soldiers, including the very young girls and very old women.
Everything was taken away from my family because they were peasants with 2 hectares of land that didn't like the StaSi (big arranged spy network in the GDR).

The whole concentration camp thing went on in the Gulags thanks to USSR too btw.

BUT, I don't condemn current living Russians because of this. Just hope they don't have too much love for their grandparents.
Putin is a giant, murdering KGB (ahem, FSB) asshole just like his colleagues anyway though.
At least many Russians aggree with me.

I don't have any idea what's really going on in Ukraine though and think it's impossible to talk about the reality there if you are not THERE. I try to be unaffected by all the one sided news and lies everywhere, but am well aware, that it's somehow Russias (and Chinas) speciality to spread whatever you need to be "the good one", even if your raping a whole continent and somehow I think Putin wants to do this in his time too, he has done enough shit to be seen as one of the bigger criminals of our time years ago already.

I don't know man. Remember those WMDs in Iraq? Or the incubator lie? I'm not saying Russia and China are saints, but neither are the western countries and their illustrious leaders.

Certainly not.