Agreed, tbh.

If Marko can actually afford to lawyer up over this, hey I can't stop him ;) but I'm not sure it'd really be worthwhile.

I was looking forward that someone actually asks this question in the chat of the stream. And?












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Nope. Instead you had things like "CDPR are legends", "You guys are amazing", "Cyberpunk 2077 is a masterpiece", etc.



It would have been a good joke, but CD Projekt Red is a Twitch Partner. You also probably missed the "Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches" category on Twitch.

To be able to comment there you had to have been subscribed to CDPR for a month. I don't use Twitch unless I'm forced to and so I wasn't eligible to comment, so that's that lol.

The target audience for CDPR is far larger than that of GOG and most of those people do not care about DRM. They are console and Steam players. At the same time, people who dislike the game are probably not going to watch a developer stream for it, so those praising comments are hardly unexpected.

This can't be the case. They have something like 50 subs and there were way more than that in chat. You probably mix this with following the channel as a requirement to use the chat.

Edit: I checked this and indeed the chat for CDPR's channel is followers-only. I add a pic where you can see it. Following a channel is not subscribing to a channel. Following a channel doesn't cost you anything. It is just clicking a heart.

Nope. You underestimate the number of people who dislike certain games but still watch streams of them to comment their dislike in chat. Just stream and play the original version of Doom 3 and say on stream that you like the flashlight mechanic. LOL.

I already told you, following is not enough. You need to be a follower for 30 days, otherwise there's no point in even having said follower requirement, because, as you said, it doesn't cost anything otherwise. See my attachment.

I do like the original handheld flash light in Doom 3. It was way more suspenseful.

I still see plenty of people on Reddit and YouTube comments who assume that Cyberpunk is still a broken mess, so trust me, not everyone is a fan. Combine it with chat limitations and you are left with no one but die hard fans.

I would gladly sing them praises too, if they had not betrayed the game preservation spirit of GOG, by putting an expiration date on some of the content within the game via a stupid Galaxy requirement. No one here takes pleasure in complaining.

Yes, following the channel for a month is not being subscribed to the channel for a month. You said "subscribed" earlier. It is also not unusual. It is primarily used to prevent bot spam.

Not only die hard fans follow certain channels. You could have followed the channel long time ago. Where there's a will, there's a way.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sure, so is Lucahjin, SaaVtuber, Haruka Karibu and several other anime girls in various states of undress.

I told you, I don't use Twitch unless I'm forced to, to access game content locked behind it. I dislike the very concept of Twitch and its stupid drops, so the last thing I'm going to know, or care to learn, is the difference between subscribing and following on it. It doesn't matter, it;s not the only method of communication.

Why would I follow anyone on a platform I despise? If I can't comment there, I'll comment here. If the Ultimate edition turns out NOT to be Ultimate, it'll be time to expand these complaints to CDPR forums and other places. Clearly they don't want to deal with this quietly by just giving us our offline installers for this Galaxy-bound junk already.

Fascinating what you watch. LOL.


You dislike Twitch. OK.

Probably you won't do something like this, but there are enough people out there who are actually doing it.

The formermost used to have a smaller chest, so it was easier (I'm absolutely boob indifferent). (She's also the wife of ProtonJon) The latter two I don't really watch, but I still wanted to provide directly absurd examples.

1) It might be most effective but also misunderstandeable. I don't dislike GOG or CDPR. I dislike what CDPR did here and I still am pretty sure that it invalidates the contract. CDPR treating this as if it is a game is the most problematic for me but I know how the law is working and what I can and can't do when I sign a purchase contract ... at least in Germany (I have studied this in fact). If I would simply stop to buy here I would not just send the wrong message but I would also rob myself from getting games here and I am not dissatisfied with everything they do, I am complaining about this one contract and therefore I am legally doing what I can do here as a buyer which is

a) give the seller the opportunity to fix the issue at hand within a manageable timeframe.
b) ask for a refund if this does not happen.

2) While I do agree that Witcher 3 added DRM'd content is wrong I also think that there is a BIG difference between this and what they did with the pre-order bonus in PL.

- In Witcher 3 they added DRM'd content which was never there when I purchased the game in the first place. They also still offer the opportunity to download the game without DRM just as I purchased it before. So there's no breach of contract at all. They basically added a DRM'd version with additional content to the non-DRM'd version I purchased. Am I okay with the DRM? No, I am not. But I still have access to everything I originally purchased so I can live with this. It is MY decision if I also want the bonus content of the new version with added DRM or not.

- in PL they made an offer to the potential buyer which - before even one cent was spent - included the pre-order bonus of a certain car. They say you get this car on release in addition to the main purchase (PL expansion) but only if you meet a certain deadline. Since GOG is advertizing that they offer DRM-free content and that Galaxy is completely optional the potential customer can expect that this is also be true for the promised pre-order content and since pre-order sth. also means "buy at release price" it's a win situation for the seller/publisher as well. So they have a gain from this and the potential customer should have a gain from this in the form of a DRM-free pre-order car. THAT is part of the original contract and it is also part of the purchase decision the customer made. Add to this the fact that GOG openly submitted that the pre-order bonus should have been available OL as well AND that this WILL be fixed "soon" (pretty sure that a believable timeframe for "soon" is more a few weeks and not two months) you have a clear case of purchase contract fulfilled from one side only right now. So since I did not get everything that's part of the original contract I ask GOG and CDPR to stay true to the original contract conditions since otherwise the contract is invalid and I am legally allowed to get my money back. This has nothing to do with goodwill (which their 30 days money back guarantee is) - this is clearly a breach of contract.

While it's true to an extent, the main problem is that there's no way to communicate the reason for not purchasing something. It's not like companies send you a survey whenever you avoid purchasing something from them. They may ask you why you want to refund though...

This is actually the whole problem with the "voting with your wallet" concept. There is no "No" vote. There is only "Yes" and "Abstain". And "Abstain" is vague and broad. Maybe you cannot afford it, maybe it's not your type of a game, maybe you are protesting something... who knows?

Well you see, I do not participate in the so called "hate watching", nor do I go out of my way to troll anyone. As I said before, I take no pleasure in having to complain about this on every Cyberpunk thread. I'd much rather be singing GOG and CDPR praises (and I actually do sing GOG praises wherever I go for the most part), but I cannot accept or forgive the current implementation of "My Rewards".

I can forgive a lot. I can forgive mistakes, the fragile infrastructure, the offline installer generation delays/failures, website errors, download errors, the crappy database, etc, because they are all unintentional.

The lack of offline installer generation for each reward is very intentional though and that is something that I cannot forgive. Not to a company that specialises in DRM-Free games with Offline Installers and preaches game preservation. They are intentionally crippling the legitimate preservation of their own games and they are intentionally making Galaxy mandatory for their games, which they always insist is optional. Galaxy is not optional if avoiding it means getting locked out of in-game content within a single player game!

This in-game content is at risk, because no online service stays online forever. Yes, there are console commands, save edits, mods, etc, but the whole reason were are here, the whole reason we pay GOG, is so that we would not have to tinker ourselves. It is a matter of principle, rather than technical possibility. If the ability to hack and mod is used to excuse the presence of DRM, then we may as well be on Steam. We can mod the DRM away over there too, while getting a better service otherwise.

All of these rewards are already associated with our GOG accounts, they know who is entitled to what, yet they refuse to generate these offline installers, like they refuse to generate the Pre-Order bonus installer. This is very sad.

Thanks for the reply Marko, I completely agree with everything you have stated.

I genuinely wish you success in your endeavour and I think you may be able to pull it off, with enough persistence and exposure. It will certainly be an eye opener for me and others that read this if you can get leverage on what basically comes to down to gog rewarding/promoting galaxy over "offline installers". Galaxy is clearly being given priority.

This is still going to boil down to an argument about DRM being sold on a DRM free store though, through what is increasingly looking like a DRM client. Broken promises from gog basically.

I have my own issues with gog and cdpr DRM and unfortunately I have far less patience than you, so I will just continue to not buy their products.

Good luck with your own stance, I will be watching with interest.

Well. OK.

However, you are constantly shifting your posts further away from the initial said: "I look forward to the team completely ignoring this question." I responded only to this statement in this thread. Nobody from here was in the chat. Period. And now I see the following. On the one hand you expect only die hard fans in the chat of their streams, on the other hand you don't participate in "hate watching". As a result, the mentioned statement would have never been fulfilled. It is simply false based on what you have said in your posts.

Everything else including the question has been discussed in every news thread about Cyberpunk 2077 (and Witcher 3 after the update) in this forum. Of course, the upcoming thread about the release of the Ultimate Edition won't be different here.