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Braggadar: Where's my advocacy?
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Ibn-Dragon: You said, "...it doesn't have bearing on private companies like digital platforms, no matter how hard you wave that flag."

Does that not mean that you're advocating for private companies to have greater power than governments over people's right to expression?
Stating facts of any given situation is not the same as advocating for anything. If I say that the Earth is orbiting the Sun that's a statement of fact, not me advocating for stars to have more central positions than planets.
Post edited January 25, 2024 by Breja
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Breja: Stating facts of any given situation is not the same as advocating for anything. If I say that the Earth is orbiting the Sun that's a statement of fact, not me advocating for stars to have more central positions than planets.
Mate, its somebodys fuggin alt causing shit. Can guess who too.
Post edited January 25, 2024 by Sachys
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Sachys: WAIT... you own TWO games here. TWO GAMES?!

Has to be an alt of a very malcontent user.
Ah, yes, but you do acknowledge that I do in fact OWN them...unlike some others. But what's your point? Is there a certain amount of 'ownership' one must have before they/we can protest what they/we perceive as anti-consumer practices?

And in response to your next post to Breja, what does "alt" mean?
Post edited January 26, 2024 by Ibn-Dragon
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Sachys: WAIT... you own TWO games here. TWO GAMES?!

Has to be an alt of a very malcontent user.
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Ibn-Dragon: Ah, yes, but you do acknowledge that I do in fact OWN them...unlike some others. But what's your point? Is there a certain amount of 'ownership' one must have before they/we can protest what they/we perceive as anti-consumer practices?

And in response to your next post to Breja, what does "alt" mean?
It means YOU.

...and i did say own - again you arent reading.
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Ibn-Dragon: Ah, yes, but you do acknowledge that I do in fact OWN them...unlike some others. But what's your point? Is there a certain amount of 'ownership' one must have before they/we can protest what they/we perceive as anti-consumer practices?

And in response to your next post to Breja, what does "alt" mean?
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Sachys: It means YOU.

...and i did say own - again you arent reading.
hahahah. Okay buddy.
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Ibn-Dragon: You said, "...it doesn't have bearing on private companies like digital platforms, no matter how hard you wave that flag."

Does that not mean that you're advocating for private companies to have greater power than governments over people's right to expression?
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Breja: Stating facts of any given situation is not the same as advocating for anything. If I say that the Earth is orbiting the Sun that's a statement of fact, not me advocating for stars to have more central positions than planets.
Stating facts is one thing, but the "no matter how hard you wave that flag" part, makes it seem like advocating.
Post edited January 26, 2024 by Ibn-Dragon
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Sachys: It means YOU.

...and i did say own - again you arent reading.
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Ibn-Dragon: hahahah. Okay buddy.
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Breja: Stating facts of any given situation is not the same as advocating for anything. If I say that the Earth is orbiting the Sun that's a statement of fact, not me advocating for stars to have more central positions than planets.
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Ibn-Dragon: Stating facts is one thing, but the "no matter how hard you wave that flag" part, makes it seem like advocating.
Bye bye!
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Ibn-Dragon: hahahah. Okay buddy.
Don't mind the grumps who might post. Better to just focus on the topic of your thread
and those who want to legitimately discuss it, lest your thread get derailed and locked.
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Post edited January 26, 2024 by GamezRanker
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Ibn-Dragon: Again, ...
Again: show me the quote from the licence agreement or TOS where they elaborate on that. Only then you have a point.

In the whole history I don't know any case where anyone actually owned a game. We owned CDs, we owned cartridges, but never the game, we only had the right to play it. It was forbidden to us to use parts of it to create something new for example. All we had was the right to play the game (the same can be said about books, the text in the books is not ours).
So please find the text in the legal documents that says that the game is ours and quote it.

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Ibn-Dragon: YOU don't dictate to me or anyone else how we choose to express ourselves.
The right for free speech ends where it violates the rights of others.
If YOU express yourself in a way that is hurting me, YOU violate my rights and I report YOU and if YOU do so repeatedly, YOU might get banned for not respecting my rights, the reasoning will just be expressed in different terms, but basically it is about that. YOU not respecting my rights means that YOU get punished.
You are right, I can not dictate how YOU behave, but I have the right to ask others to prevent YOU from hurting me.
Post edited January 27, 2024 by neumi5694
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Ibn-Dragon: YOU don't dictate to me or anyone else how we choose to express ourselves. As long as that expression doesn't cause harm, which mere "rudeness" doesn't do, then no one should be censored or THREATENED with loss of private property over it.
Bub, this is a business. They have legal right to throw you out on ya fenders if you've been acting in a mean and manner which is deemed hateful or even obnoxious. Imagine going to a restaurant and yelling obscenities.
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Ibn-Dragon: YOU don't dictate to me or anyone else how we choose to express ourselves. As long as that expression doesn't cause harm, which mere "rudeness" doesn't do, then no one should be censored or THREATENED with loss of private property over it.
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: Bub, this is a business. They have legal right to throw you out on ya fenders if you've been acting in a mean and manner which is deemed hateful or even obnoxious. Imagine going to a restaurant and yelling obscenities.
In this exact post you just wrote you are passive-aggressive, rude, and obnoxious.

The TOS change is a terrible development and unless they change it I will think twice about buying a game on GOG again (I have 863 games on my account so it means something). I understand banning someone from community functions after repeated community guidelines violations but banning someone from accessing THEIR PURCHASED GAMES for offensive words is ridiculous and something you would expect from the evil big conglomerates like Ubisoft and EA (or Steam). Very disappointing. It's also disgusting to see many bootlickers welcome this change. Arrogant corporate decisions like this one makes piracy look attractive.
Post edited January 26, 2024 by duder123
I will not be buying anything from this store anymore and will be issuing chargebacks for all previous purchases if this is not resolved.
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duder123: The TOS change is a terrible development and unless they change it I will think twice about buying a game on GOG again (I have 863 games on my account so it means something).
As long as there's people like me with 2600 games and others with 4000 games not having second thought, I think GOG will be fine.

Because let's face it. It's not perfect, but there is no better place. Whatever is brought up against GOG in these threads is valid for every other platform that's selling games.
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kakgrean: I will not be buying anything from this store anymore and will be issuing chargebacks for all previous purchases if this is not resolved.
Apparently GOG has to comply with EU's DSA, so not only will the new TOS stay as is, you probably should look up why it is not the smartest idea to publicly announce that you are planning to abuse the chargeback process.
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neumi5694: As long as there's people like me with 2600 games and others with 4000 games not having second thought, I think GOG will be fine.
Actually, GOG can more comfortably ignore those with large collections, since they're less likely to purchase more. It's the newcomers that GOG needs more.

As noted multiple times in the Updated GOG User Agreement and other Terms thread, the terms of service haven't really changed. It's the potential consequences of a breach (closure of games account, confiscation of Wallet contents, revocation of licence to use offline installers) that should be the major concern. And due to the vague wording of those terms, virtually everyone could be in technical breach of these and subject to the same sanctions.

Now for GOG to implement such sanctions on a widespread basis would likely be commercial suicide (though Steam have been doing the same for over a decade). Nonetheless, that very possibility is something that users/subscribers/customers should be concerned about.

Getting back to the original topic of "rudeness" in this forum, frankly I'd be happy to see GOG moderators taking a firm line (short of full account termination). Anyone who feels the need to let fly with expletives can go play in 4chan or the like - here, they'd at best be a distraction from those who try to help with reported problems, and at worst they'd drive off the good participants, leaving this forum a cesspit of swearing and spam posts.

No, this isn't about me being a "snowflake", it's about these forums having a valid purpose and people who can't express themselves in civil language detracting from it.
Post edited January 26, 2024 by AstralWanderer
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AstralWanderer: [...] It's the potential consequences of a breach (closure of games account, confiscation of Wallet contents, revocation of licence to use offline installers) that should be the major concern. [...]
As noted in the aforementioned thread, the consequences didn't really change either.