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Zimerius: lol okay......

you heard it chaps . . .

Mandatory extra lessons for european children.

A. How to deal with a robbery

B. How to deal with street violence

C. How to deal with sexual harrasment

D. How to keep a healthy mind
And, where exactly did the chaps hear this from? Who posted that?
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Ibn-Dragon: And I'm old/experienced enough to know that most people "civilized" people are just hiding a bunch of B.S. behind fancy words and a smile.
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GamezRanker: ^^This^^

Tbth, i'd rather people be honest on topics at hand than to hide behind false civility in an effort to not offend.
(of course, that is not to say I think people should be overtly crude or crass for no real reason)
That's all I'm saying.
Post edited January 24, 2024 by Ibn-Dragon
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Ibn-Dragon: Matal v. Tam, the Supreme Court held that: Speech may not be banned on the ground that it expresses ideas that offend.

Bottom line, American customers being hindered from having access to personal property (purchased video games) based on some vague corporate statute banning so-called hate/rude speech, is possibly opening GOG up to unnecessary litigation. That's not a threat, it's an observation. And a friendly one at that. I generally prefer GOG to every other online game store, with Steam being a close second. EU rules are one thing; However, American law is a bit different.
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neumi5694: Important to know then that all you do is to pay for a service to unlock the access to video games for your account then.
You don't really buy the games, they are not aquired property.
Digital property is still property. Besides, isn't one of GOG/CDPR's selling points "Ownership"? Here are quotes from this very website on the 'About GOG' page:

"With our gamers-first approach and respecting the need for ownership..."

"Owning the things you buy
We don't believe in controlling you and your games. Here, you won't be locked out of titles you paid for, or constantly asked to prove you own them - this is DRM-free gaming."

"We make games last forever
A home for building and playing your curated game collection, GOG is a digital distribution platform that puts gamers first and respects their need to own games."

Censoring "RUDE" speech is:
1- A form of controlling us.
2- A form of DRM in a way.
3- Potentially NOT respecting the right to ownership of purchased property simply because they don't like one's...thought pattern.

Perhaps they should update their advertisements to read, 'We respect your right to own your DRM-free games and won't try to control you...unless we don't like you. In which case all bets are off."
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Ibn-Dragon: Censoring "RUDE" speech is:
1- A form of controlling us.
2- A form of DRM in a way.
3- Potentially NOT respecting the right to ownership of purchased property simply because they don't like one's...thought pattern.

Perhaps they should update their advertisements to read, 'We respect your right to own your DRM-free games and won't try to control you...unless we don't like you. In which case all bets are off."
Oh boy...
SMH
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Ibn-Dragon: The First Amendment doesn't give rights. Try again.
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Braggadar: Fine. It prevents Congress from making laws which strip certain rights from the people. Consult a legal professional - it doesn't have bearing on private companies like digital platforms, no matter how hard you wave that flag.

GOG isn't an arm of the United States government. It has nothing to fear from the first amendment. Neither does Facebook, Twitter or Steam for that matter.
Oh, okay, so, you're advocating for private companies to subvert basic national rights via one-sided (unilateral) EULA's?
Have you no shame? Furthermore...never-mind, see the last post I made to neumi5694.

And some of those social media platforms you mentioned have been found to have been in collusion with the United States government to censor free speech. So, we'll see how long their freedom from First Amendment protections last. Because make no mistake about it, private companies, while private, are still creatures of the state that ALLOWS them to exist. And here at the continental United States, the State is the People, and not the created form of government.
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Ibn-Dragon: Oh, okay, so, you're advocating for private companies to subvert basic national rights via one-sided (unilateral) EULA's?
Have you no shame? Furthermore...never-mind, see the last post I made to neumi5694.
Where's my advocacy?
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Ibn-Dragon: Digital property is still property. Besides, isn't one of GOG/CDPR's selling points "Ownership"? Here are quotes from this very website on the 'About GOG' page:
I know. And yes, it's a lot of bull**

We don't own zip, the games are not our property. What GOG does differently from othes is not to check on us. They don't enforce that we don't copy the games to others. They trust us. But the games are not ours. You better read the licence agreements instead of advertisers.

Behave and you will be able to download the offline installers as long as you want.

People are always so focused on their rights, they forget about their responsibilities. When you disregard the human rights (which freedom of speech is actually part of, so there is no point in insisting on the US interpretation of it) of another person with your words or actions, that values higher than an ammendment. Your duty is to respect the other person's rights as well. Sometimes two parties rights are in conflict with each other, that has always been the case. The right to freedom of speech ends where you violate someone elses rights.

Just behave ... end of story.
Or sue GOG for not respecting your right to threat others like dirt. Your choice.
But be aware that they do have the right (and to a certain extend the obligation) to block your account, so you better respect that as well.
Post edited January 24, 2024 by neumi5694
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People People People don't let an American, who is trying to bait you, get your blood pressure up. Play a nice point and click adventure game, read a nice book, go outside and enjoy the fresh air. In the words of Meryl Streep, "disrespect invites disrespect". Please go watch old episodes of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood or Bob Ross to see the good in the world and not all the negative. Hope you all have a great day.
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51nikopol: Please go watch old episodes of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood
Will Mr Robinson's Neighborhood do?
Post edited January 24, 2024 by Breja
Stands to reason the Ubisoft debacle may change things if, enough people get angry about ownership of any product. More and more companies are treating customers poorly. The bubble increases in size.

This topic seems derivative of a right to repair trend. In which companies are extending a greedy tendril across the customer landscape to see what the executives can get away with. Enough backlash, may see some changes in law across many countries.

ps- this is not political. It is an observation in trends, that has impact in gaming. Such as the topic of ownership of digital games. As a reference about gaming, check out Louis Rossmann on youtube, regarding Ubisoft as of late.
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51nikopol: Please go watch old episodes of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood
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Breja: Will Mr Robinson's Neighborhood do?
Works for me!
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Ibn-Dragon: Oh, okay, so, you're advocating for private companies to subvert basic national rights via one-sided (unilateral) EULA's?
Have you no shame? Furthermore...never-mind, see the last post I made to neumi5694.
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Braggadar: Where's my advocacy?
You said, "...it doesn't have bearing on private companies like digital platforms, no matter how hard you wave that flag."

Does that not mean that you're advocating for private companies to have greater power than governments over people's right to expression?
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Ibn-Dragon: Digital property is still property. Besides, isn't one of GOG/CDPR's selling points "Ownership"? Here are quotes from this very website on the 'About GOG' page:
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neumi5694: I know. And yes, it's a lot of bull**

We don't own zip, the games are not our property. What GOG does differently from othes is not to check on us. They don't enforce that we don't copy the games to others. They trust us. But the games are not ours. You better read the licence agreements instead of advertisers.

Behave and you will be able to download the offline installers as long as you want.

People are always so focused on their rights, they forget about their responsibilities. When you disregard the human rights (which freedom of speech is actually part of, so there is no point in insisting on the US interpretation of it) of another person with your words or actions, that values higher than an ammendment. Your duty is to respect the other person's rights as well. Sometimes two parties rights are in conflict with each other, that has always been the case. The right to freedom of speech ends where you violate someone elses rights.

Just behave ... end of story.
Or sue GOG for not respecting your right to threat others like dirt. Your choice.
But be aware that they do have the right (and to a certain extend the obligation) to block your account, so you better respect that as well.
Again, Here are quotes from this very website on the 'About GOG' page:

"With our gamers-first approach and respecting the need for ownership..."

"Owning the things you buy
We don't believe in controlling you and your games. Here, you won't be locked out of titles you paid for, or constantly asked to prove you own them - this is DRM-free gaming."

"We make games last forever
A home for building and playing your curated game collection, GOG is a digital distribution platform that puts gamers first and respects their need to own games."

Also, the "Just behave... end of story." isn't the end, it's the beginning. YOU don't dictate to me or anyone else how we choose to express ourselves. As long as that expression doesn't cause harm, which mere "rudeness" doesn't do, then no one should be censored or THREATENED with loss of private property over it.
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This is now some wazzock-fu level of numptitude - laden with an extra thick sauce of whataboutery and dinlistenyaya garnish.
Post edited January 25, 2024 by Sachys
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51nikopol: People People People don't let an American, who is trying to bait you, get your blood pressure up. Play a nice point and click adventure game, read a nice book, go outside and enjoy the fresh air. In the words of Meryl Streep, "disrespect invites disrespect". Please go watch old episodes of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood or Bob Ross to see the good in the world and not all the negative. Hope you all have a great day.
I deny the "trying to bait" accusation. I'm merely bringing awareness to the issue of 1-Ownership and 2- Right to Expression. But yes, if there are people whose blood pressure is going up for no other reason than they don't like what I'm saying, then they are exactly who I'm referring to when I say, "Snowflake". The rest of us shouldn't be censored merely because some people are overly sensitive to words.

And "disrespect" doesn't necessarily invite the same. It could be an invitation for people to learn how to counter it with better arguments. Having "MODERATORS" intervening every time someone gets their feelings hurt, in my opinion, is hindering not only honest debate but also personal growth.

Furthermore, telling people to play a stupid/foolish point and click adventure game or read a stupid/foolish book is counter-productive to the topic at hand. In case you're wondering, "Nice", adjective, means foolish and/or stupid.
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WAIT... you own TWO games here. TWO GAMES?!

Has to be an alt of a very malcontent user.
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Post edited January 25, 2024 by Sachys