dtgreene: HERO was not a bathroom ordinance! How many times do I need to say this to get my point across?

In fact, HERO actually included sex as one of the protected classes, along with things like pregnancy status.

The reason some were linking it to the bathroom ordinance is that they wanted the ordinance to fail, and they did so by creating a scare that was not actually part of the bill. In doing so, they did so at the expense of transgender women; expect to see more transphobic hate crimes and transgender people committing suicide as a result of the nasty campaign. (This reminds me of what happened with California's Proposition 8.)

If you really "think of the children", you need to think of all the children, including LGBT children, who are commonly bullied by classmates and adults (and sometimes their own parents).

Gnostic: Then shame on the portion of LGBT community that link it to the bathroom ordinance, for wanting HERO to fail and scoring own goal.

dtgreene: It wasn't the LGBT community that did that; it was the bigots who wanted the ordinance to fail.

Of course, now the bigots are trying to divide the LGBT community by trying to get LGB people to turn on transgender people. (Fortunately, the biggest LGBT groups aren't playing along.)

Gnostic: When I started the discussion, I thought the LGBT activist would be happy to know the possibilities of why Houston people, who are open minded enough to vote a LGBT mayor to power would reject the bathroom Ordinance.
What are the negative elements in the current Ordinance that made people reject that. How with a variation of the bathroom ordinance would respect women rights and reduce resistance for the ordinance, so the LGBT will have a better position to move a more respectful ordinance into play.

Instead I met with the stereotype LGBT response, whose own feelings is more important than the furthermore of the LGBT cause itself. ignoring all the inconvenient facts and even things that can work in the LGBT advantage. Stating ill conceived statement of people linking the bathroom ordinance to HERO is evil, ignoring the fact a quick search of the internet shows numerous LGBT activist linking the bathroom ordinance to HERO themselves.

Pointing out that, suddenly it is only the bigots who link the ordinance to HERO, and are trying to divide the LGBT community.

Sorry for expecting more of you, interrupting your self righteous wrath of the evils of the majority people. You may continue your righteousness in peace now.

DaCostaBR: Have you ever felt that way about something?

I am not the type to care at all, which is why I'm really surprised that I can't help but feel this way while playing the recently released Yokai Watch on the 3DS.

In case you don't know it, it's sort of a pokémon clone where you befriend these ghosts called Yokai and they fight for you. My problem is that in this universe you see Yokai influencing people to act in certain ways, to the point where it seems like no one is responsible for their own actions. Most side quests involve people doing something bad, such as saying mean things to someone else, and what do you know? A Yokai made them do it after all. Every. Time.

Now this game, like pokémon, at least in part aims for a young audience. It even has an anime that I think is coming out soon. Whenever I do another quest I can't stop thinking about what a terrible message this is for children, if you tell them that no one is responsible for anything, then how are they supposed to address their own flaws and try to be better.

The worst case I can think of is one in game moment where the main character's parents are at each others throats. Why? You guessed it, a Yokai made them fight. So here I can't help but think of the little 6 year old child with problems at home who blames himself, because if he could only fight the bad Yokai like the kid in his game and the anime he loves so much, then his parents wouldn't fight so much.

I'm probably overthinking this way too much, I'm sure it's fine, and like I said I usually don't care about this kind of stuff. So, have you ever felt this way? Where you watched or played something for kids and thought it was, though probably well meaning, a bit problematic?

Gnostic: When I started the discussion, I thought the LGBT activist would be happy to know the possibilities of why Houston people, who are open minded enough to vote a LGBT mayor to power would reject the bathroom Ordinance.
What are the negative elements in the current Ordinance that made people reject that. How with a variation of the bathroom ordinance would respect women rights and reduce resistance for the ordinance, so the LGBT will have a better position to move a more respectful ordinance into play.

Instead I met with the stereotype LGBT response, whose own feelings is more important than the furthermore of the LGBT cause itself. ignoring all the inconvenient facts and even things that can work in the LGBT advantage. Stating ill conceived statement of people linking the bathroom ordinance to HERO is evil, ignoring the fact a quick search of the internet shows numerous LGBT activist linking the bathroom ordinance to HERO themselves.

Pointing out that, suddenly it is only the bigots who link the ordinance to HERO, and are trying to divide the LGBT community.

Sorry for expecting more of you, interrupting your self righteous wrath of the evils of the majority people. You may continue your righteousness in peace now.

LeonardoCornejo: I just read the first post here and that is all I need to read.

You are not only overthinking but overlooking a different culture.

First of all any rational aprent would teach its child to differe reality from fantasy so that no child ever comes up with such an absurd belief.

Second, maybe you know nothing about Japan, but that is exactly what Yokai do and represent, they are spirits, most of them evil, and the evil ones possess and corrupt people and places. They make crops die by posessing the soil, they turn a normal and honest citizen into a criminal, things like that. Basically this game makes you play the role of a Shinto exorcist, controling good yokai and stopping the bad ones.

Look, this is basically a childlish Japanese version of The Exorcist, and the only reason you are worried is because western people shelter children so much from reality that their children may even believe something fictional because they are weak minded.

Saying this will influence children in any harmful way is like assuming a child would put on a red cloth as a cape and jump from a window believing he could fly. Guess what, that only happens with poorly educated and misguided children whose parents never remind them that what they see on TV, film, and video games is not always real, and that specially when there is magic or monsters in it then it is completelly fictional and that is not how the real world works.

Your argument is just lke saying that a child will atomatically decide to talk to a random bus on th street just because of Transformer.

DaCostaBR: I really don't think people understood my point with this thread, clearly I've expressed myself badly.

First of all, I've lived in Japan and I'm not unfamiliar with their views on spirits. My issue is not that they corrupt people, it's that as of right now I haven't seen a single character flaw in any of the characters, from main ones to unnamed NPCs, that wasn't caused by Yokai and easily fixed. There's a difference between "Yokai can influence people for the worse" and "every single problem in the world is caused by a Yokai".

Second, of course a good parent would talk to their children about fiction and reality, but everyone here is forgetting how seriously a small child takes what they see in their media and how they can take to heart the values imparted in them. I only gave one very extreme example, and even in that case of course there will be competing factors in real life and even in the rest of the media the child will consume, but whether it does affect the child or not is only secondary to the question of if the moral presented in the work is reprehensible or not, and if one settles on yes I don't find it unreasonable to be slightly upset that children are exposed to it. That was the point of this thread, to share instances where people watched something for kids and thought they presented misguided morals.

LeonardoCornejo: Oh the 90s, the last good decade for being a child as of now.

mechmouse: I will counter that argument with one word.

Teletubbies

I've got kids growing up (grown up) in both of the first decade of the 21st century. There are some very good shows for kids, and some bloody dire ones too.

mechmouse: Three of our five children are diagnosed on the Autistic spectrum, the other most likely are but not in a way that has yet to have a negative effect on their learning.

I've read of horror stories where children are forced to wear spit hoods and are overly restrained.

My wife has had to fight long and hard to get 2 of our children into a specialist setting, and continues to fight for the third. The specialist school our children attend is an hour away but they are amazing with our children and have took our 13 year old daughter from a writing age of 5 (she was 11 at the time) to that of a 15 Year old. She is highly intelligent, but a traditional learning environment is overwhelming. Also they were oblivious to the problems she was having.

All three also have additional diagnosis of ADHD. Now while I'm sure there are far too many parents that use the label of ADHD to justify their children's naughty behaviour and the low standard of parental guidance, ADHD is not some psuedo diagnosis. Correctly diagnosed people with ADHD have detectable differences in their neural make up.

To give you an understanding of what its like to have ADHD; Imagine that feeling you have after riding a roller-coaster. Your body is in its "Fight or Flight" mode. Now imaging being like that 24/7.

Rather counter-intuitively the drugs used to treat ADHD are amphetamine based. The street name for amphetamine is Speed. You put a kid with out ADHD on those drugs, what ever issues he had would get a whole lot worse. For a kid with ADHD it takes the edge of the "Fight or Flight" mode.