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Posted March 05, 2015
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Olegdr: LifthrasilI - This very attitude from the game companies is the reason I see nothing inherently wrong with piracy. ...
...unless it's a game sold DRM free. Then the whole thing becomes a matter of trust. If some company sells their games DRM free, I am firmly opposed to all piracy of their games. However, if some game is only sold with DRM, I can fully understand people who want to be able to actually play their games and therefore prefer pirated versions. It's a devil's circle: piracy supposedly makes DRM necessary and DRM justifies piracy.
Which is also why I think that the recent development here on GOG with region locking is a very dangerous step for GOG. They stopped trusting their customers (which is why they register our IPs now) and they started restricting their games. This goes against the fundamental idea of mutual trust that GOG once worked upon and there will be some customers who think "OK, if GOG refuses to sell certain games in my country, I'll just get them in some other way..." The step between region locking and DRM isn't far after all.
Posted March 05, 2015
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Olegdr: Pigdog - sorry, but fuck that - I'm not paying for a game I'm already supposed to legally own.
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Lifthrasil: But that's the point of DRM. You don't own the game. You just purchased the license to use it, which can be revoked. Or can be lost if the publisher goes out of business. Or if the IP is sold to someone else. Or any other reason. You paid a licence fee, yes. But in the DRM world that doesn't mean that you have any permanent rights.
YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME IF IT IS DRM-FREE EITHER.

Stop drinking the stupid kool-aid drink.
Posted March 05, 2015
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Lifthrasil: But that's the point of DRM. You don't own the game. You just purchased the license to use it, which can be revoked. Or can be lost if the publisher goes out of business. Or if the IP is sold to someone else. Or any other reason. You paid a licence fee, yes. But in the DRM world that doesn't mean that you have any permanent rights.
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Elenarie: YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME IF IT IS DRM-FREE EITHER.
You own that instance of the game, which is what this means. Of course you don't have rights to the assets and the IP.
Posted March 05, 2015
nvm, misread
Post edited March 05, 2015 by Pheace
Posted March 05, 2015
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Olegdr: LifthrasilI - This very attitude from the game companies is the reason I see nothing inherently wrong with piracy. In fact, piracy was the only thing that made me be able to play the game yesterday.
If I understand your comment correctly, you say that because a company lends you a game rather than sells it to you, it's OK to steal it.

This is, I believe, the same logic that would state that it is OK to steal books from a library because they too do not sell the books, but only lend them.

For me, this is no justification for piracy. If I want to buy a game rather than have it only lent to me, then I buy it from a company that sells games, not from a company that only lends them. And if there is no such company for a specific game, then I do not buy it and I do not play it.
Posted March 05, 2015
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Olegdr: LifthrasilI - This very attitude from the game companies is the reason I see nothing inherently wrong with piracy. In fact, piracy was the only thing that made me be able to play the game yesterday.
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mrkgnao: If I understand your comment correctly, you say that because a company lends you a game rather than sells it to you, it's OK to steal it.

This is, I believe, the same logic that would state that it is OK to steal books from a library because they too do not sell the books, but only lend them.

For me, this is no justification for piracy. If I want to buy a game rather than have it only lent to me, then I buy it from a company that sells games, not from a company that only lends them. And if there is no such company for a specific game, then I do not buy it and I do not play it.
Aya's got the looks and the brains.
Posted March 05, 2015
If it's the original demo that he originally got (meaning the same files), I don't understand how the unlock button would of disappeared. Was the game patched at some point (that he obviously applied) that would of removed the unlock button?
Posted March 05, 2015
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Pheace: To be fair, unless I'm missing something this is no different than you having lost your CD's isn't it? The problem in the OP doesn't sound like DRM to me. If you'dve had the backed up the demo you got at the time wouldn't you still have been able to unlock it just fine?

The fault seems to be in assuming it would still be there (and the same) 9 years later.
He said in the OP that he installed the demo from the original executable. The problem is that the authentication server no longer exists, from what I understand. This lies entirely with the DRM, not the OP. Not at all the same as losing your CDs, from what I gather from his post.
Posted March 05, 2015
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Pheace: To be fair, unless I'm missing something this is no different than you having lost your CD's isn't it? The problem in the OP doesn't sound like DRM to me. If you'dve had the backed up the demo you got at the time wouldn't you still have been able to unlock it just fine?

The fault seems to be in assuming it would still be there (and the same) 9 years later.
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Coelocanth: He said in the OP that he installed the demo from the original executable. The problem is that the authentication server no longer exists, from what I understand. This lies entirely with the DRM, not the OP. Not at all the same as losing your CDs, from what I gather from his post.
No, he said there was an unlock button that's no longer there (how?). He didn't even have the ability to put the code in to access any authentication server.
Post edited March 05, 2015 by synfresh
Posted March 05, 2015
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Elenarie: YOU DON'T OWN THE GAME IF IT IS DRM-FREE EITHER.
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realkman666: You own that instance of the game, which is what this means. Of course you don't have rights to the assets and the IP.
No, you don't own anything. You license the game. The fact that there is no digital system to manage your rights to access said license is irrelevant.
Posted March 05, 2015
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realkman666: You own that instance of the game, which is what this means. Of course you don't have rights to the assets and the IP.
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Elenarie: No, you don't own anything. You license the game. The fact that there is no digital system to manage your rights to access said license is irrelevant.
If they can't take it away, I own it.
Posted March 05, 2015
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Coelocanth: He said in the OP that he installed the demo from the original executable. The problem is that the authentication server no longer exists, from what I understand. This lies entirely with the DRM, not the OP. Not at all the same as losing your CDs, from what I gather from his post.
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synfresh: No, he said there was an unlock button that's no longer there (how?). He didn't even have the ability to put the code in to access any authentication server.
Well, making the game query the authentication server, and only show the unlock button if the server responds is a rather simple piece of code.
Posted March 05, 2015
[confession] I'm thinking of replaying Mass Effect sometime soon. During the installation it asks permission from some EA server to authenticate itself (or something like that..). I pray to the gods of bits & bytes to let me play without problems.. That's what you receive by buying games with online authentication DRM. And the fault is all mine.. I shouldn't have opened my wallet that day back in 2008.. [/confession]

edit: damned touchscreen skips letters and making typos
Post edited March 05, 2015 by Vythonaut
Posted March 05, 2015
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synfresh: No, he said there was an unlock button that's no longer there (how?). He didn't even have the ability to put the code in to access any authentication server.
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Olegdr: Well, making the game query the authentication server, and only show the unlock button if the server responds is a rather simple piece of code.
Why put that simple piece of code for the unlock button but not the order button?
Posted March 05, 2015
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Olegdr: Well, making the game query the authentication server, and only show the unlock button if the server responds is a rather simple piece of code.
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synfresh: Why put that simple piece of code for the unlock button but not the order button?
I'll ask Eric Chahi that if he ever replies to me.

But go ahead and download, see if you can find a way to activate:

http://www.anotherworld.fr/download/AnotherWorld_Demo.exe
Post edited March 05, 2015 by Olegdr
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