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Post edited April 26, 2020 by francksteel
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falloutttt: Fear of GERMS - George Carlin (6:05)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_L6AS1Huno
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GameRager: Also added this to the OP post(George Carlin Always did know how to bring up important issues via comedy/etc)....thanks for this.
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Mafwek: What should and/or shouldn't be is completely left to individual, including a question of trusting a source.
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GameRager: You're right....I was just trying to say people should try not to (though it's of course their call to make) "shut a source down" automatically in their minds due to biases against said source.

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Mafwek: And I am going to end it here.
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GameRager: Fair enough....me as well...have a good one & thanks for posting.
Aside from being a comedian, he was a philosopher as well.

Cheers, comrade!
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Maddox weighs in

His core point about overestimating the mortality rate isn't as meaningful here on the gog forums, as I feel most here already understand that number of infected can't be known exactly (although I still posit that extrapolating from the death rate to find the approximate range of infected in a population is a useful exercise, especially when that number varies hugely from the reported number of infected), but it's still an useful video in how it warns from fearmongering and elevating the voices of conspiracy nutters and other untrustworthy sources (especially those known to lie)- which IS something that is unfortunately rampant in the gog forums.
Today, a team of 60 scientists and engineers, students and clinicians, drawn from universities and the private sector, are unveiling N95decon.org, a website that synthesizes the scientific literature about mask decontamination to create a set of best practices to decontaminate and reuse this protective face covering during the current emergency.
https://news.stanford.edu/2020/04/01/researchers-show-how-to-decontaminate-reuse-n95-masks/
Our discussions followed the same principles we adopt in our own work; exploring whether the data was convincing, definitive, complete, and reproducible. Our resulting report (N95decon.org) provides a summary of this critical information. Specifically, the report examines 3 methods of N95 decontamination: heat, ultraviolet C (UV-C) and hydrogen peroxide vapor (HPV) treatments. We summarize their strengths and weaknesses while pointing out knowledge gaps in their application. This report complements the new CDC recommendations by providing health care personnel with a data-driven fact-sheet and detailed overview for each of three recommended methods.
https://www.n95decon.org/

I will leave it to the readers to decide how useful that is.
It's puzzling that basic research like this wasn't done before or widely available.
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falloutttt: Aside from being a comedian, he was a philosopher as well.

Cheers, comrade!
Yes, he seems to have been that and more.

Also thanks for the song link in the other thread...I added it to the OP post. :)

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Spectre: I will leave it to the readers to decide how useful that is.
Thanks for this as well...I added it to the info links in the OP post.

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Spectre: It's puzzling that basic research like this wasn't done before or widely available.
That's humanity for you.....many seem to like to only worry about making money/amassing power in the short term and letting others take care of the future. :\
Post edited April 13, 2020 by GameRager
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Update: Now adding links to other threads(on GOG forums) that are nice/kind or interesting/fun on the topic to the OP post. The first will the the "Hug thread" that's currently on the first page of the general forums, made by user rabblevox.
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falloutttt: Aside from being a comedian, he was a philosopher as well.

Cheers, comrade!
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GameRager: Yes, he seems to have been that and more.

Also thanks for the song link in the other thread...I added it to the OP post. :)

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Spectre: I will leave it to the readers to decide how useful that is.
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GameRager: Thanks for this as well...I added it to the info links in the OP post.

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Spectre: It's puzzling that basic research like this wasn't done before or widely available.
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GameRager: That's humanity for you.....many seem to like to only worry about making money/amassing power in the short term and letting others take care of the future. :\
Well considering the world has for a long time believed that western medicine and practises were more than ready for outbreaks as evidenced by the original sars, birdflu, etc. it's not surprising that scientific research has no doubt been more accute into clinical situations and no doubt already well covered.
With all that being said it's good to have a contemporary dataset linked directly to a unified source of proper information for the average person who is not a data analyst.
What would be better though is if health workers could actually get sufficient supplies of the proper gear as I hear they are having problems with in america.
Personally I don't see why Australia isn't sending in health workers like the ameri's sent in firey's.
We certainly can be doing more at least in provisioning.

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Post edited April 14, 2020 by Bookwyrm627
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falloutttt: Aside from being a comedian, he was a philosopher as well.

Cheers, comrade!
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GameRager: Yes, he seems to have been that and more.

Also thanks for the song link in the other thread...I added it to the OP post. :)

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Spectre: I will leave it to the readers to decide how useful that is.
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GameRager: Thanks for this as well...I added it to the info links in the OP post.

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Spectre: It's puzzling that basic research like this wasn't done before or widely available.
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GameRager: That's humanity for you.....many seem to like to only worry about making money/amassing power in the short term and letting others take care of the future. :\
hahaha, that song cheers me up every morning. :D and not just me, the whole country! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slK5IY_GJzI
Fear is a bigger problem today than Covid-19 itself. Think about it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgifktrlMEQ
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MaceyNeil: With all that being said it's good to have a contemporary dataset linked directly to a unified source of proper information for the average person who is not a data analyst.
This, but(as I said before a few times) imo people should be able to figure out some things for themselves if they can, and do so more often.....too many rely on other people/sites for too much, imo.

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MaceyNeil: What would be better though is if health workers could actually get sufficient supplies of the proper gear as I hear they are having problems with in america.
Tbh I think we'd have more gear if hospitals/govts had stockpiled more of it and kept their stocks "rotated", and also if gear decontamination methods had been devised much earlier than now.
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falloutttt: Fear is a bigger problem today than Covid-19 itself. Think about it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgifktrlMEQ
Nice video with some good words of wisdom(which I believed in general already)....will add a link to your post with it in the OP post. :)

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Post edited April 14, 2020 by Bookwyrm627
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New story just in: Taco Bell ONLY taking contactless payments as of now(for the time being).

Why can I just see the CEO saying to everyone in his mind: "Do you not have a credit card or phone?!?" :|
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Also Walmart/some other stores have to rope off non-essentials in certain states. The problem is, they seem to be leaving it up to the individual stores to determine what is non-essential.

Some of the things roped off/taped off/etc? *facepalm*
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Post edited April 14, 2020 by GameRager
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GameRager: New story just in: Taco Bell ONLY taking contactless payments as of now(for the time being).

Why can I just see the CEO saying to everyone in his mind: "Do you not have a credit card or phone?!?" :|
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Also Walmart/some other stores have to rope off non-essentials in certain states. The problem is, they seem to be leaving it up to the individual stores to determine what is non-essential.

Some of the things roped off/taped off/etc?
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GameRager: *facepalm*
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My nana was only just forced to move from a physical booking account lol.
Nobody cares about this thread anymore, I just have some more news regarding noteable situations in Germany, Israel and France.

The "Heinsberg Study" is coming along nicely, but there was a lot of criticism regarding the methodology of the study. Its not officially out yet because the criticism from the media (and the population) kind off halted things. You can't write a study properly while responding to criticism all the time.

The lead conductor of the Study, Hendrik Streek, did respond in a podcast. He also adressed the lack of a "properly released" study, because releasing the study in a objectively peer-reviewed manner would've taken too much time, most likely about half a year. They're trying to speed things up, however it won't be peer reviewed. The Study is expected to get publicised via pre-print during early May.

What is interesting regarding this short podcast is that they haven't conducted the same test in every household. The real number of infected people (and the mortality rate) may be even lower. This means that the "real number of infected people" compared to the "statiscially verified number of dead people" is pretty close to the number we do in countries such as Island (almost 1800 infected, with 8 people dead) and New Zealand, or in those villages in China where the mortality rate was exceptionally low (and where the whole village was tested). A similar study was also conducted in Israel, and the results almost align greatly if compared the Heinsberg study. The plot thickens.

Regarding possible ways of active threatment, people in Isreal saved (and partially even cured) seven critically/severely ill patients from the US with stem-cell placenta therapy, which indicates that my assumption that pregnant woman who're lived with COVID-19 may have "SARS-CoV-2 immune babies" so to spreak, because it indicates that a living, growing organism may adept to the virus much quicker than assumed. Its also almost 300 times cheaper (and probably more effective) than genetically engineered antibodies, which usually do cost as much as several Teslas per regular threatment (or about 150.000 USD, compared to the about 400 USD when it comes to the placenta stem-cells). This marks a huge breakthrough in terms on how to threat patients, in my opinion.

Israel ranks as number 1 in terms on how the population handles the current pandemic, Germany ranks at number 2.

Last but not least. I was wrong regarding the "Charles de Gaulle" incident. Right now 668 people seem to have catched SARS-CoV-2 on the Aircraft carrier, mostly because people noticed the infection way too late. I was assuming that people there tested the soldiers there quickly and effectively. News regarding how to conduct PCR tests in a proper way are only slowly making their rounds. Many of these tests can give false-negative (test say you don't have the virus but you still have it) results if people don't test the stool (testing the poop is actually very effective in detecting the virus) and sputum (thats the slime that you can cough up through your lungs whenever you have any sort of flu, this is also very effective measurement of detection during the second week of having COVID-19). Doing swabs of your throat alone is not a objectively good way in detecting the virus.

Sources: Link to podcast (unfortunatly its only in german).

Regarding the stem-cell Placenta therapy

Countries ranked regarding the handling of the crisis, based on AI calculations on a large number of several factors

Here you can see how often false-negative test results can occur by only testing throat samples, anything below the dashed line gives the wrong PCR test result. You can see that the results become significantly more accurate if you also test stool and sputum samples
Post edited April 16, 2020 by Dray2k
Another interview Q & A session with Dr. Kim. Like the first, worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwoNP9QWr4Y
Here is a round up of fringe news and early reports so they should be treated with skepticism.

3 COVID-19 Cases As Described By Doctors In China Feb 23, 2020
ht/tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0A0LyMru3I

The dailymail has recently put out a story similar to one someone had hypothesized from early research at the start of April. This puts forward the theory that it is blood cell damage from the virus casuing oxygen issues instead of damage to lungs but it sounds like someone took the malarial drug cure and reasoned backwards.

https://archive.vn/KrdfC
https://www.truthorfiction.com/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-medium-post/

Doctors Face Troubling Question: Are They Treating Coronavirus Correctly? | NYT News Apr 14, 2020
ht/tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp5RMutCNoI

This one is from a UK news group that looks into the connections between various organisations.and possible conflicts of interest.

15th April 2020: The Imperial College Bill Gates Connection
ht/tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ldtVWKlQI
Post edited April 18, 2020 by Spectre