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DubConqueror: I'm very very scared, sitting at home with my curtains closed as the fear is too much. It's the 19th of October and it's 22 degrees Celsius where I live (in the east of Holland). I'm very very scared of the climate change right now. What we're experiencing is the result of natural fluctuations coupled with the exhaust of CO2 and methane up till the eighties. The effect of all the exhaust since then is still to come. I am very very frightened, muscles tighten and my field of vision narrows literally due to fright. Took the extra medication I got to take in time of crisis (an extra dose of the anti-psychotic I got normally to lessen the stimuli).
You might want to move to Finland. It is currently +1 C here in southern Finland (minus degrees in northern and eastern parts of Finland; at nights it apparently can already go down to -15 C degrees in eastern parts), so we will obviously survive the climate change.

Which reminds me, I may have to change the winter tires quite soon. I was hoping to wait until November.
Post edited 6 hours ago by timppu
Thanks for the reactions. It's true climate change is something I can do little (not nothing) about. I can look after my own behaviour, trying to lessen my own 'CO2-footprint'. I don't drive a car (don't even have a license) and have never flown to travel. But it's only 1/7th billion part of all human behaviour. I would want to be the hero who saves all people on earth, as I worry about all people on earth. It's very hard not to think about what happens to other people. I worry about desertification, even though it won't hit Holland and worry about sea levels rising, even though I live in rare hilly terrain far in the east of Holland. So moving won't be necessary. But all those other people on earth suffering, oh my God.
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DubConqueror: I'm very very scared, sitting at home with my curtains closed as the fear is too much. It's the 19th of October and it's 22 degrees Celsius where I live (in the east of Holland). I'm very very scared of the climate change right now. What we're experiencing is the result of natural fluctuations coupled with the exhaust of CO2 and methane up till the eighties. The effect of all the exhaust since then is still to come. I am very very frightened, muscles tighten and my field of vision narrows literally due to fright. Took the extra medication I got to take in time of crisis (an extra dose of the anti-psychotic I got normally to lessen the stimuli).
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timppu: You might want to move to Finland. It is currently +1 C here in southern Finland (minus degrees in northern and eastern parts of Finland; at nights it apparently can already go down to -15 C degrees in eastern parts), so we will obviously survive the climate change.

Which reminds me, I may have to change the winter tires quite soon. I was hoping to wait until November.
And we might even be better off from climate change, at least on regional terms. The geopolitical consequences are harder to estimate.
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timppu: You might want to move to Finland. It is currently +1 C here in southern Finland (minus degrees in northern and eastern parts of Finland; at nights it apparently can already go down to -15 C degrees in eastern parts), so we will obviously survive the climate change.

Which reminds me, I may have to change the winter tires quite soon. I was hoping to wait until November.
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AlKim: And we might even be better off from climate change, at least on regional terms. The geopolitical consequences are harder to estimate.
You're kidding, right? Antarctica and Greenland have a lot of land ice, as in gigantic ice shelves sitting on the land. Those ice shelves are melting. A side effect of that is during winter the amount of sea ice (ice on the sea) around Antarctica and Greenland is growing, but during summer that all melts. Ever seen those pictures where people calculate exactly how much land will be underwater if we added a few metres to sea level? They're not kidding.

We're going to lose a hell of a lot of land mass on a planet that is mostly surface water anyway. We lose land mass, we lose food production. We lose food production and this gets dicey.
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DubConqueror: It's true climate change is something I can do little (not nothing) about. I can look after my own behaviour, trying to lessen my own 'CO2-footprint'.
Vote left wing politics. If we want to fix the environment, we need to fix the economy. If we had a society focused on intellectual, scientific, and technological progress then we'd have solved climate change decades ago. Any equality/environment party is where your vote should be going, hell with the parties who think that pretty feudalism is the only way to go. In the Netherlands the main one would be... Groenlinks? Think they're the main party.

Vote for them. If you're in a country where you don't have to vote, do so. Learn about the issues and convince your friends to vote and vote left wing. If enough people did that then we either change, or we get to see the end of the illusion. Both of those would be pretty damn awesome.
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FraggingBard: You're kidding, right? Antarctica and Greenland have a lot of land ice, as in gigantic ice shelves sitting on the land. Those ice shelves are melting. A side effect of that is during winter the amount of sea ice (ice on the sea) around Antarctica and Greenland is growing, but during summer that all melts. Ever seen those pictures where people calculate exactly how much land will be underwater if we added a few metres to sea level? They're not kidding.

We're going to lose a hell of a lot of land mass on a planet that is mostly surface water anyway. We lose land mass, we lose food production. We lose food production and this gets dicey.
It has been quite awhile since someone warned about the "Waterworld (1995)" effect. I thought that idea died already. I thought were were all going to freeze to death instead, as in "The Day After Tomorrow (2004)". The ideas of what exactly we will be facing due to the "climate change" seem to change with each generation of movies. In the 80s I was scared to death that we will all die of skin cancer, as the ozone layer is evaporating. Even saw some TV movie about that.

One could approach your proposed dilemma in many ways:

- At least up here the land mass has actually raised over (thousands of) years, and seems to keep raising. It has been proposed that sometime in the future e.g. the Baltic Sea will become a lake, as it loses the connection to Atlantic Ocean. So i don't know, maybe it would just good if the sea level raised a bit for change, it might be good for the condition of Baltic Sea too.

- Netherlanders might give some tips on how to amass land from the sea.

- If all else fails, look at the bright side: since humans are not amphibians but must live on dry land, less land means there is less room for humans to destroy the planet. Isn't that what the green nutties want anyway, humans ("humen"?) should leave the planet alone?

Oh, and to hell with the green party alarmist nutcases. Scaring little children so that they can't sleep at nights, and for nothing.

Ps. I fight CO2 emissions by promoting nuclear energy. The actions of environmentalist nutcases has caused e.g. Germany to run down its nuclear power plants, replacing them with more and more coal-fired power plants producing massive amounts of CO2 and tiny particles causing lung cancer. It appears those silly wind turbines or solar cells were not producing enough energy after all.
Post edited 4 minutes ago by timppu