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deleted_user:
Correct, but it's illegal for the seller to sell it to Germans in Germany. At-least that is my understanding. So no the consumer is fine if they manage to get, but GOG as the seller is not.
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PaterAlf: A German storefront doesn't make them a German shop.
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer or know anything about German law, but I can see how it kind of would... GOG is big enough that I'm sure they have team of lawyers that have already went over these things that we are asking ourselves.
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tinyE: Everyone is in here bitching and moaning and I just found out Leonard Nimoy passed away. Maybe we should put aside our grievances for a bit.
Wow, that is really sad. :(

Thanks for sharing though, didn't hear about this yet.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by user deleted
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Licurg:
Recommendations plox? I have no idea which or what is good. I prefer word of mouth recs.

Edit: I just read the Nimoy died too, apparently of COPD. What a crappy day.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by ShadowWulfe
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Licurg:
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ShadowWulfe: Recommendations plox? I have no idea which or what is good. I prefer word of mouth recs.

Edit: I just read the Nimoy died too, apparently of COPD. What a crappy day.
I use the Hola Unblocker add-on for Firefox . It's free, and it works .
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tinyE: Everyone is in here bitching and moaning and I just found out Leonard Nimoy passed away. Maybe we should put aside our grievances for a bit.
snowkatt opened a thread about it.
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Licurg:
Much appreciated, good sir!
I don't understand this german laws. As far as I know, every kid in Germany studied over and over the early XX century, specially the fascist dictatorships and WWII. With such a dedication to teach the kids the history of your country, and what happened, it's nonsense that they censor anything nazi related on video games.
What's the problem?, it's not like nazis are shown as the good guys, ever.
But, even if they were the good guys, what? is a fucking game, I can play GTA V but I can't play a WWII game as a nazi?
Oh, hypocrisy.

So... as far as I understand is illegal to sell but not to own or play it, right?

This situation sucks, and I think 90% of German gogers would prefer to stay inside the English shop. However, let's see this as an invitation to meet cool anti-censorship neighbors!
You know what I mean.
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Licurg: This again ? USE A VPN ! IT COSTS NOTHING !
Many people came to GOG exactly because they don't want to do that. They don't want to buy stuff and feel like some criminal by doing it. And that was one of GOGs flagships for as long one days ago, when they decided to stealthily change it without notifing their customers.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by FrasierWCrane
I hope it's not the first step of a censorship philosophy inspired by Steam, because I don't want to see censored games on GOG for puritan goals. I want blood, boobs and balls, no low violence edition or pixelated nude scenes ! Otherwise, I will play Monopoly :)
The one thing I really hold GOG in high regards for is that you still can say what you think, unlike other places where you get banned/censored/whatever for speaking out against them.

I got a Steam forum ban once for saying Alan Wake is cheap on GOG, for example. Never got one from GOG for saying a Steam game is cheap.
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deleted_user:
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer or know anything about German law, but I can see how it kind of would... GOG is big enough that I'm sure they have team of lawyers that have already went over these things that we are asking ourselves.
Well, if they have the answers, then they should tell them to us. Right at the moment I doubt that they know what they are doing. If they want to act like a German shop, then they have to put a region lock on many more games (because they give us the uncensored versions) or introduce a valid age verification, because right at the moment they are breaking seral German youth protection rules.

If they are still a foreign shop on the other hand, I don't see the need to put regional locks on Commandos and Commandos 2+3 (which never even was banned here).

So please, GOG, share your wisdom with us!
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deleted_user:
Correct, but it's illegal for the seller to sell it to Germans in Germany. At-least that is my understanding. So no the consumer is fine if they manage to get, but GOG as the seller is not.
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PaterAlf: Yes, it's illegal to sell it for shops located in Germany. But GOG isn't. A German storefront doesn't make them a German shop.
The law was created at a time, where digital stores offering goods (or games to download in this case) simply didn't existed. That doesn't automatically imply, that they can get away with it.
If you or someone else believes so, come up with some precedences. The only ones I know of, are cases like Dead Rising 2: Off the Record or Wolfenstein: The New Order where they aren't allowed or had to be altered for Germany.
It's the same fallacy that everything digital = infos and informations should be free, therefor I should be able to get game / mp3 / whatever for free, just because the law didn't explicitly named it.

Demanding from GOG to step into potentially hot water, because the gamers in country X fail to take up their civil rights and battle it with the different available political tools their country provides, is borderline stupid.
Anyone knows the exact phrasing of the GOG terms and conditions with regard to obscuring your location? Is it generally forbidden or only if it is done to save money?
If GOG servers are not on german soil, the effective range of the law stops at the borders.
German gamers buying in the GOG shop LEAVE Germany.
They can buy EVERYTHING that GOG is allowed to sell them under the law effective for GOG.
German gamers are still bound to german law, so you can buy a game full of swastikas and play it but you are held liable for it - including confiscation, fines, trials and maybe even jail time.

Of course they try it in Germany to depict it illegal to purchase "forbidden" games - but that's utter horseshit.
You can legally play games that never made it to the german market and are banned in Germany for sale and such - as long as you don't make them available for others (excluding obviously illegal content like CP).

That said, I flick off Steam for selling censored shit only. Goddamn, I'm 45!

"You can not deny a grown man his steak because a toddler can't chew it" (loosely based on Mark Twain)


(Sorry about the edits. But my brain is lagging after a dull working day and I can't type sh*t anymore.)
Post edited February 27, 2015 by Vosla
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Vosla: "You can not deny a grown man his steak because a toddler can't chew it" (loosely based on Mark Twain)
Yeah that sounds like something someone from Missouri would say. :P
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amok: depends on how much you have been drinking....
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tinyE: Then again.
:( You beat me to the punch... (Pun intended, though it's beer only on the bike.)