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kohlrak: Right off the bat, this could cause performance issues without even using the data. I'm sure if i went over this with a fine toothed comb, i could come up with some things.
Canuck_Cat: Thank you. I want to assign a numerical impact to all this stuff before denouncing this stuff. This stuff is clearly gut reactions, when the things in peoples' phones are actual serious issues (tiktok got caught reading cliipboard data when user wasn't using paste or even had tiktok open for that matter, thanks to an iphone update). This has anything to do with (GOG) Galaxy, however, but it's clear that this is where the gut reactions are coming from.
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Arcadius-8606: Not telling WHAT "you" should do only that what I (or what one does) is all that you can muster or that matters.
Dusk (2018) is one game but you have others like Barony (2015), Invisigun Reloaded (2017), Melty Blood Community Edition (2007/2016) and more
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drmfree_multiplayer_list_of_games_that_actually_are_100_drmfree
or
https://itch.io/games/tag-multiplayer
You also have Fightcade, Parsec, Piepacker, RetroArch Cloud (you can play modern ROM based games on it) and other methods to play online with friends coop, vs or a mix of bother as you see fit.
As for the other games you are referring to...If a person does not like telemetry why would get they get involved with those games? Do you feel what I'm saying? If you jumping into those games and getting upset about telemetry one could say you have very little ground to stand on.
Thanks for the links. Dusk (2018) is one game but you have others like Barony (2015), Invisigun Reloaded (2017), Melty Blood Community Edition (2007/2016) and more
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drmfree_multiplayer_list_of_games_that_actually_are_100_drmfree
or
https://itch.io/games/tag-multiplayer
You also have Fightcade, Parsec, Piepacker, RetroArch Cloud (you can play modern ROM based games on it) and other methods to play online with friends coop, vs or a mix of bother as you see fit.
As for the other games you are referring to...If a person does not like telemetry why would get they get involved with those games? Do you feel what I'm saying? If you jumping into those games and getting upset about telemetry one could say you have very little ground to stand on.
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"As for the other games ..." I wonder how you can possibly say that after having read the example I gave. It also says "but you're wrong for wanting to play something if it uses telemetry and you don't accept it, Stop it with the wrong-want."
What, I'm *not allowed* to believe telemetry is a stupid unnecessary risk all out of proportion to *playing any game* ...? Is that verboten? Or irrational? Things just are the way they are, I'm not bezos so I can't change it, aw shucks, guess I'll go shuffle off to my closet and be quiet?
If not that, than why tell me I'm wrong to not want that stuff in games I'd like to play otherwise?
For the games that rely on galaxy, GOG could fix this - just strip down and make a lite version, sans anything but the ability to connect games, no other features, no steam connection, no tracking, none of that. If they gave a rip, that is. I doubt they do - not enough money in that (not GOG bashing - this is human bashing, human nature is universal and doesn't change, what's messed up with us is 99.99% banal and norm). They have plenty of history that should have taught them to react otherwise, but they're apparently subverting it.
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pht: "As for the other games ..." I wonder how you can possibly say that after having read the example I gave. It also says "but you're wrong for wanting to play something if it uses telemetry and you don't accept it, Stop it with the wrong-want."
What, I'm *not allowed* to believe telemetry is a stupid unnecessary risk all out of proportion to *playing any game* ...? Is that verboten? Or irrational? Things just are the way they are, I'm not bezos so I can't change it, aw shucks, guess I'll go shuffle off to my closet and be quiet?
If not that, than why tell me I'm wrong to not want that stuff in games I'd like to play otherwise?
For the games that rely on galaxy, GOG could fix this - just strip down and make a lite version, sans anything but the ability to connect games, no other features, no steam connection, no tracking, none of that. If they gave a rip, that is. I doubt they do - not enough money in that (not GOG bashing - this is human bashing, human nature is universal and doesn't change, what's messed up with us is 99.99% banal and norm). They have plenty of history that should have taught them to react otherwise, but they're apparently subverting it.
I don't think you're correct in that you can't change it. You can always select a game that goes online that does not use telemetry. What, I'm *not allowed* to believe telemetry is a stupid unnecessary risk all out of proportion to *playing any game* ...? Is that verboten? Or irrational? Things just are the way they are, I'm not bezos so I can't change it, aw shucks, guess I'll go shuffle off to my closet and be quiet?
If not that, than why tell me I'm wrong to not want that stuff in games I'd like to play otherwise?
For the games that rely on galaxy, GOG could fix this - just strip down and make a lite version, sans anything but the ability to connect games, no other features, no steam connection, no tracking, none of that. If they gave a rip, that is. I doubt they do - not enough money in that (not GOG bashing - this is human bashing, human nature is universal and doesn't change, what's messed up with us is 99.99% banal and norm). They have plenty of history that should have taught them to react otherwise, but they're apparently subverting it.
No one is right or wrong with this topic. It's about what you want vs what you don't want. If you don't want telemetry in your games, don't select games with telemetry.
I can only control my purchasing power and so I (me) choose to buy Launcher Less Linux Native DRM FREE titles that are single player and local MP. If I want a online MP title and it has DRM and/or telemetry then I'll do cloud gaming since I don't want that stuff on my hardware.
Will it change that status quo? IDK, IDC I just want my games the way I want them and that's it.
As for GOG Galaxy, I believe ONLINE MP is out of their hands. I do not think they can offer online MP for all of the supported games without adding telemetry or some form of DRM that the devs of those games either use or request. GOG just made a mistake by going in that direction at all, IMO.
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pht: "As for the other games ..." I wonder how you can possibly say that after having read the example I gave. It also says "but you're wrong for wanting to play something if it uses telemetry and you don't accept it, Stop it with the wrong-want."
What, I'm *not allowed* to believe telemetry is a stupid unnecessary risk all out of proportion to *playing any game* ...? Is that verboten? Or irrational? Things just are the way they are, I'm not bezos so I can't change it, aw shucks, guess I'll go shuffle off to my closet and be quiet?
If not that, than why tell me I'm wrong to not want that stuff in games I'd like to play otherwise?
For the games that rely on galaxy, GOG could fix this - just strip down and make a lite version, sans anything but the ability to connect games, no other features, no steam connection, no tracking, none of that. If they gave a rip, that is. I doubt they do - not enough money in that (not GOG bashing - this is human bashing, human nature is universal and doesn't change, what's messed up with us is 99.99% banal and norm). They have plenty of history that should have taught them to react otherwise, but they're apparently subverting it.
Arcadius-8606: I don't think you're correct in that you can't change it. You can always select a game that goes online that does not use telemetry. What, I'm *not allowed* to believe telemetry is a stupid unnecessary risk all out of proportion to *playing any game* ...? Is that verboten? Or irrational? Things just are the way they are, I'm not bezos so I can't change it, aw shucks, guess I'll go shuffle off to my closet and be quiet?
If not that, than why tell me I'm wrong to not want that stuff in games I'd like to play otherwise?
For the games that rely on galaxy, GOG could fix this - just strip down and make a lite version, sans anything but the ability to connect games, no other features, no steam connection, no tracking, none of that. If they gave a rip, that is. I doubt they do - not enough money in that (not GOG bashing - this is human bashing, human nature is universal and doesn't change, what's messed up with us is 99.99% banal and norm). They have plenty of history that should have taught them to react otherwise, but they're apparently subverting it.
No one is right or wrong with this topic. It's about what you want vs what you don't want. If you don't want telemetry in your games, don't select games with telemetry.
I can only control my purchasing power and so I (me) choose to buy Launcher Less Linux Native DRM FREE titles that are single player and local MP. If I want a online MP title and it has DRM and/or telemetry then I'll do cloud gaming since I don't want that stuff on my hardware.
Will it change that status quo? IDK, IDC I just want my games the way I want them and that's it.
As for GOG Galaxy, I believe ONLINE MP is out of their hands. I do not think they can offer online MP for all of the supported games without adding telemetry or some form of DRM that the devs of those games either use or request. GOG just made a mistake by going in that direction at all, IMO.
That's insulting and not a fix at all.
I see no valid reason to think that online MP cannot be offered without telemetry, because exactly that was done for the ... entire history of the internet since multiplayer was a thing by hordes of makers.
I also "just want my games the way I want them and that's it," except because I don't want to participate in the mother smothers you and helicopters you and reads your diary and won't let you out of sight stuff I get crumbs, if that. Which is entirely unnecessary.
Surveillance as a way of making money and getting more power and not doing QC the "let them be able to consent" way is just to embedded into the games industry and the entire software industry as a whole.
Frankly I don't think any of them care enough to do anything about it.
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pht: You just told me I can fix "it" by not using it.
That's insulting and not a fix at all.
I see no valid reason to think that online MP cannot be offered without telemetry, because exactly that was done for the ... entire history of the internet since multiplayer was a thing by hordes of makers.
I also "just want my games the way I want them and that's it," except because I don't want to participate in the mother smothers you and helicopters you and reads your diary and won't let you out of sight stuff I get crumbs, if that. Which is entirely unnecessary.
Surveillance as a way of making money and getting more power and not doing QC the "let them be able to consent" way is just to embedded into the games industry and the entire software industry as a whole.
Frankly I don't think any of them care enough to do anything about it.
Why not just support the online MP games that do not do telemetry, though?That's insulting and not a fix at all.
I see no valid reason to think that online MP cannot be offered without telemetry, because exactly that was done for the ... entire history of the internet since multiplayer was a thing by hordes of makers.
I also "just want my games the way I want them and that's it," except because I don't want to participate in the mother smothers you and helicopters you and reads your diary and won't let you out of sight stuff I get crumbs, if that. Which is entirely unnecessary.
Surveillance as a way of making money and getting more power and not doing QC the "let them be able to consent" way is just to embedded into the games industry and the entire software industry as a whole.
Frankly I don't think any of them care enough to do anything about it.
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As for GOG Galaxy, I believe ONLINE MP is out of their hands. I do not think they can offer online MP for all of the supported games without adding telemetry or some form of DRM that the devs of those games either use or request. GOG just made a mistake by going in that direction at all, IMO.
From experience, doing any sort of server software is hard. Even a direct connection between two IPs can be difficult and generate a ton of support. Perhaps we're all comfortable with port forwarding on our router but there are billions of people who are not. UPnP is an option but the security advisories around it make it a liability. By having a central server that can take requests you can coordinate those requests and act as a proxy, removing the complexities of trying to push through an IPv4 firewall. (IPv6, new story, NAT not required. Stay tuned.)
You can argue that the development studio should assume those costs and do it without a third party. That's as useful an argument as saying "don't use it." If dev studios had to craft all the pieces of multiplayer our games wouldn't have multiplayer. At all.
Which would actually be fine with me. I hate multiplayer anything. :)
Addition: using a 3rd party system also makes it easier to port to consoles - all of whom strictly control multiplayer so they can tax it. It's a development cost exclusively for the PC.
And I don't think it's in argument but the single player of MW5: Mercenaries is playable without GOG. Pretty sure the argument is about Co-Op.
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GOG also now sends me emails with discount offers but you have to pass a reCAPTCHA test in order to see what the offer is, which I avoid doing. What kind of telemetry does Google access when you try and pass that test?
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pht: You just told me I can fix "it" by not using it.
That's insulting and not a fix at all.
I see no valid reason to think that online MP cannot be offered without telemetry, because exactly that was done for the ... entire history of the internet since multiplayer was a thing by hordes of makers.
I also "just want my games the way I want them and that's it," except because I don't want to participate in the mother smothers you and helicopters you and reads your diary and won't let you out of sight stuff I get crumbs, if that. Which is entirely unnecessary.
Surveillance as a way of making money and getting more power and not doing QC the "let them be able to consent" way is just to embedded into the games industry and the entire software industry as a whole.
Frankly I don't think any of them care enough to do anything about it.
Arcadius-8606: Why not just support the online MP games that do not do telemetry, though? That's insulting and not a fix at all.
I see no valid reason to think that online MP cannot be offered without telemetry, because exactly that was done for the ... entire history of the internet since multiplayer was a thing by hordes of makers.
I also "just want my games the way I want them and that's it," except because I don't want to participate in the mother smothers you and helicopters you and reads your diary and won't let you out of sight stuff I get crumbs, if that. Which is entirely unnecessary.
Surveillance as a way of making money and getting more power and not doing QC the "let them be able to consent" way is just to embedded into the games industry and the entire software industry as a whole.
Frankly I don't think any of them care enough to do anything about it.
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Incorrect we got here in the games industry by being too small and isolated off to effect the progress path companies wanted to take. Every battle s tooth and nail at this point when it comes to personal data and security.
You're basically saying we should keep rolling over till it starts getting unavoidable.
That is not a rational response to the situation.
You're basically saying we should keep rolling over till it starts getting unavoidable.
That is not a rational response to the situation.
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hmm that's against EU laws they need your consensus to collect data.
time EU get in the game and fine company's that thinking they can just collect your personal information
time EU get in the game and fine company's that thinking they can just collect your personal information
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That's like saying saying if people aren't buying drugs then the dealer on the streetcorner dealing heroin to teenagers won't cause you problems.
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GOGuser736: That's like saying saying if people aren't buying drugs then the dealer on the streetcorner dealing heroin to teenagers won't cause you problems.
Incorrect. Unless you introducing a new argument about selling games to minors. Which has more to do with parental involvement. These other companies don't have a strangle hold on users putting up their own servers for the games that allow that or for hamachi or Parsec and such.
In the end, you can only do what you can do for yourself and at most your family in the immediate. There is more of a need for other users to advocate for the games that don't use telemetry that they would like others to try than for a bashing of games that use it because in the end all you doing is giving the game with telemetry free press.