What is written here that gives you the impression that they have no plan or "want" more drm? https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq


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That isn't a solution, how does the movement plan to issue these penalties? Ross per usual make it sound more simple then it actually is. The ACCC was a whole legal thing in the end someone needs to handle that, Ross and the movement believe the EU should do it themselves.

The fact he claims its simple highlights how little he understands regarding changing the law works.

Anyway when this blows up in Ross face, it'll be fun to watch. ALso Ross said in several vids he's fine with DRM being added if they keep supporting the game.

I wonder, too? If we only had politicians and juries who measure issues like these on a daily basis...

yeah because this campaign isn't about mandating WHAT shit devs need to implement in their software. Just mandating that they have an end-of-support plan AT ALL.

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I call that answer wishful thinking at best and in reality bullshit.

Germans know what I do speak about.
For roughly 20 years we got "special" versions of games in Germany, where bad symbols where removed and often enough violence too.
Newer Wolfensteins had all NS symbols removed and in Soilder of Fortune 2 you where fighting robots (as well in Half Life).
Those games have been altered for the german marked and patched with special patches for the german marked.

If the marked is to small, they will simply ignore the marked.
If the marked is bigger, they will do stuff just for that marked.

They will NOT do big stuff that costs money for all the world.

And Valve is not an good example for that, because it is about Steam. Steam is a fucking Shop.
Steam is not a developer, Steam is not a publisher.
In reality, a bunch of games are not available in a lot of countries, because publishers didn't saw money in doing what those countries wanted.


Btw.
Smelling an inbuilt kill switch in something that can be used without any internet connection and any dongle to your liking is the best mental gymnastics I have seen in a long time.
DRM needs contact to something that manages digital rights. That is either an online server, or a physical media (like back then CD-check).
There is a very sure thing about the GoG offline installers (and yes, I got _all_ installers of my libary backed up), they work without both.

Then give a good reason why iPhone's have an USB-C port everywhere now, despite it being only mandated in the EU?
It's almost like governments see opportunities to sue companies for reasons OTHER governments sued companies already for and companies very much like to avoid such a scenario, even less such issues to escalate into creating new laws.
Also I personally don't care too much about what companies do outside the EU.

viruses and trojans work without the internet. What is even the point you want to make? Do you really want to discuss the technicalities and implementation of how a killswitch could work?

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Talking about laws special for France or Australia.
Getting told, that publishers gave a shit about bringing single country laws to the world
Stop talking about single countries immediately but start to brabble about the EU.
Pretend you won the argument chain.

And when you want to come up with timed switches. Nobody will stay in your way if you want to set the internal clock of your PC to a different year.
Go ahead.
Because for your malware there are 3 options how they can be controlled.
By a command server
By a timer
They start instantly
And by not needing any online connection, the command server is ruled out.

Your last post is a 1/10, because it made me reply.
So long, if you want go on trolling, up to you. Got better plans for this evening.

Listen, if it were possible, I'd have you tossed out of this thread. Once posting that link was enough. You should be glad I didn't give into the temptation to redirect that link to the Nepenthes tarpit demonstration.

And what's to say that the Initiative's discussion (should the signature number be reached) wouldn't be harassed by self interested publishers?

Would it be acceptable to have fliers attached onto this?

Just how quickly would it be considered acceptable for it to be laid out, discussed, ratified, and signed? 5 years? 10 years?

What's to prevent the entire SKG (as laid out by the many posts Ross has made) from surviving the wood chipper that is bureaucracy?

If we laypeople, can lay out pitfalls, trappings and issues that it could run into, we can't even begin to imagine the loopholes or casual faults that someone who is paid to purpose with the intent of sabotaging this could raise.

100% this, its why everyone talking about it like it'll fix everything are tone deaf to the situation. Ross doesn't have a solution and many have pointed out the amount of legal hurdles to get through. But people don't read, only following the current weeks drama before getting bored and moving on to the next thing.

forget 5-10 years people will have moved on within the month or until Ross finds someone else to point fingures at to stir the pot.

Why would you give insight of your larp as a forum mod?
Isn't opening a discussion about a topic you have no clue about already humiliation enough?
Ever seen signatures in message boards?

How about you provide some good responses about the points I have made to you, instead? You opened the discussion, chief!

So what's your suggestion? Not try at all? How great...

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I wouldn't be larping as a moderator, I just feel you're not bringing anything useful to the discussion, so if this were a modern forum with tools such as thread banning, I'd think it'd be agreed by other posters that it would be better without you bitterly butting in still.

My suggestion, as I made clear in this thread: Start smaller. Local. At a regional or small country level. Let it build up in the smaller countries, that way the larger countries can't ignore it, then go for the moon. Not shoot the moon with wooden arrows and not even knowing what gunpowder is.

At least, that's my most realistic suggestion.

Don't feed the trolls, man. You know better. :P

Another thing that diffuses; replacing words.
examples:
Problem--> issue
Like--> love

Those two words an entire generation, now have no meaning.

"I don't larp as a mod but let me tell you further how I would ban you because you got my feelings hurt"
"I feel you're not bringing anything useful to the discussion"
says the worm who opens a discussion about a video he REFUSES to watch.

I dismantled your original post by simply citing the FAQ of Stop Killing Games, most of the time and you're still too much of a coward to properly respond to it.

When will YOU bring anything useful to the conversation?!? All I've seen is that you had for 10 pages a hugbox for yourself and all you can respond with now is to complain how much I disrupted your party, instead of engaging with my points.
Is trying to trick people into thinking you're a mod really everything you got, you pathetic little worm???

So you have no clear suggestion and like to waste everybody's time as usual.
Do you still believe btw that SKG will write laws? Reading that from your embarrassing original post was very funny.

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Says the conspiracy theorist nutjob who spent two pages yesterday claiming "GOG's putting DRM in every DRM-Free game, prove me wrong, if you can't I win and you lose!" on a 14 year old GOG account before launching personal attacks against the French girl here calling her "human garbage" because she 'dared' to observe you're too frightened to address your own FOMO addiction. If that behaviour and 'quality' of 'conversation' represents the "normal" side of SKG, then God help the whole movement...