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Matthias00001111: AGAIN: WHAT IS YOUR PROOF THAT BACKUPS WILL FUNCTION FOREVER
For some reason the words "do", "not", "feed", "the" and "troll" spring to my mind.
But hey: y'all do, what you think you gotta do...
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Matthias00001111: Beside the point that none of this is in the original post.
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BrianSim: You made the claim that you think GOG has been adding DRM to DRM-Free games here, you back it up. The rest is mindless trolling that so far is the biggest 'advert' in the thread for not signing it...
So you have no idea how hypotheticals work. That's alright, just go back to the children's corner
Post edited June 29, 2025 by Matthias00001111
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BrianSim: His point is it's complete trolling to try and equate someone complains The Crew online service game doesn't work offline, buys it anyway knowing that in advance, gets +10 years of enjoyment out of it, complains the game "dies" when the service ends, then goes back for more with the sequels that contain the same thing, with "I bought a DRM-Free game that I can still play and I don't regret that regardless of what the store might do to the cloud copy".
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Time4Tea: Yes, it is trolling. However, another important point, in relation to the argument "what if GOG games turned out to contain DRM and they one day pulled the kill-switches?" is this:

If that happened, then I would have a credible legal basis to sue GOG/CDPR, since they have been selling their games claiming DRM-free for many years. If that were to happen, I could imagine there would be a class-action lawsuit on the part of GOG's customers, to allow them to recoup the money that GOG would have fraudulently taken.

On the other hand, Steam users, Ubisoft users, people who bought The Crew have no legal grounds to sue, since they accepted when they purchased the game that they were only ever buying a temporary license.

The terms under which a product is sold are important. They matter. And that is a very important distinction between DRM and DRM-free. Even if GOG one day turned out to be lying, I have legal cover, by virtue of the terms I agreed to when I purchased games from GOG.
AGAIN: Disney can't be sued for killing an allergic person because they buried a clause in their Disney Plus user agreement and you really want to tell me this bullshit of GOG having no power to implement something as simple as a killswitch and getting away with it?
On every game installer there is an updated user agreement. Have fun reading every single piece of it on every single backup you have made.
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Matthias00001111: You realize that GOG could pull all executable tomorrow and lock everything behind a DRM, if they really want to, right? What would that say about your purchasing habits?
You realize that your mother could start murdering people at random, if she really wanted to, right? What would that say about your family life?

This is your standard of hypothetical and it's pathetic dogshit.
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Matthias00001111: None of my or anyone's concerns.
^ Above rants by Matthias00001111 against DRM-Free games by claiming GOG has been putting DRM in them then demanding the equivalent of "So, how long have you been beating your wife. Prove to me you haven't" 'hypothetical' logic, is a perfect living example of exactly what I said in post 102:-

"The problem is you only have to read many comments left underneath Ross's videos to see that a lot of people are treating this whole thing as less "something to support in addition to DRM-Free", and more a pro-DRM comfort blanket that's dishonestly giving them the impression "Sign this, and governments around the world will soon grant you all the benefits of DRM-Free in your DRM'd games" as self-justification for continuing to throw money at everything they claim to hate, so they don't have to change bad consumer habits."

Getting sulky and triggered at being called out for "talking the talk, but not walking the walk", isn't going to change anything at all. (And yes, such "I JUST WANT ALL MY DRM'D ONLINE-SERVICE GAMES TO WORK LIKE OFFLINE-FRIENDLY DRM-FREE ONES WHILST LEAVING ALL THE DRM IN, AND WHEN IT BREAKS, I'LL COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE DRM THAT ACTUALLY BROKE IT AND IF YOU COMMENT ON THAT I'LL RESPOND 'HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO BUY'" posts are 10 a penny on Youtube. ;-)
Post edited June 29, 2025 by ListyG
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Matthias00001111: AGAIN: WHAT IS YOUR PROOF THAT BACKUPS WILL FUNCTION FOREVER
Short of literally carving the executable data into a rock* and putting that rock somewhere nice and safe, there's really no guarantee. Data is ultimately ephemeral, but for most people, a functional lifetime of 25 years is probably plenty of time?

*Rock (presumably not something soft like talc.), crystaline mineral structure, slab of glass, something that'd be hard to damage and has permanence otherwise.
Post edited June 29, 2025 by dnovraD
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ListyG: ^ Above rants by Matthias00001111 against DRM-Free games by claiming GOG has been putting DRM in them then demanding the equivalent of "So, how long have you been beating your wife. Prove to me you haven't" 'hypothetical' logic, is a perfect living example of exactly what I said in post 102:-
very tasteful to awoke the image of domestic violence against women, when you compare my logic. Reminds me of car companies running ads of woman getting assaulted to smear Right to Repair campaigns. You have done your homework!

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ListyG: "The problem is you only have to read many comments left underneath Ross's videos to see that a lot of people are treating this whole thing as less "something to support in addition to DRM-Free", and more a pro-DRM comfort blanket that's dishonestly giving them the impression "Sign this, and governments around the world will soon grant you all the benefits of DRM-Free in your DRM'd games" as self-justification for continuing to throw money at everything they claim to hate, so they don't have to change bad consumer habits."

Getting sulky and triggered at being called out for "talking the talk, but not walking the walk", isn't going to change anything at all. (And yes, "I JUST WANT ALL MY DRM'D ONLINE-SERVICE GAMES TO WORK LIKE OFFLINE-FRIENDLY DRM-FREE ONES WHILST LEAVING ALL THE DRM IN, AND WHEN IT BREAKS, I'LL COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE DRM THAT ACTUALLY BROKE IT AND IF YOU COMMENT ON THAT I'LL RESPOND 'HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO BUY'" posts are 10 a penny on Youtube. ;-)
you guys are so obsessed with purchases of other people and still can't respond why this should be a concern, if companies would respect the rights of ownership....
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Matthias00001111: AGAIN: WHAT IS YOUR PROOF THAT BACKUPS WILL FUNCTION FOREVER
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dnovraD: Short of literally carving the executable data into a rock* and putting that rock somewhere nice and safe, there's really no guarantee. Data is ultimately ephemeral, but for most people, a functional lifetime of 25 years is probably plenty of time?

*Rock (presumably not something soft like talc.), crystaline mineral structure, slab of glass, something that'd be hard to damage and has permanence otherwise.
Thanks for responding to a line in my post without context and addressing no issues I have brought up.
Unfortunately, you still haven't addressed my issue of why you open discussions about topics you have proven to have no clue about...
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/stop_killing_games_round_1_is_a_miss/post142
Post edited June 29, 2025 by Matthias00001111
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Matthias00001111: very tasteful to awoke the image of domestic violence against women, when you compare my logic. Reminds me of car companies running ads of woman getting assaulted to smear Right to Repair campaigns. You have done your homework!
It's a well known pre-supposition based logical fallacy that perfectly highlights the troll-like nature of "GOG's DRM-Free games have DRM in because I, Matthias00001111, say so, prove to me they don't". That your only response is feigned indignation further highlights the fact you're simply pissed at being called out for the trolling you chose to initiate to try and stave off that cognitive dissonance...

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Matthias00001111: you guys are so obsessed with purchases of other people and still can't respond why this should be a concern...
See, I was right. It was entirely about that. ;-) We get it, you loved The Crew. And you're really, really angry you can't play the single player bit. But the reason you can't play it offline after 10 years whilst we can play 80's-90's racing games +30-40 years on is it's a DRM'd online service. And at some point you're going to have to stop putting on the "fake pikachu face" in wanting to blame everything but that, pull your head out the sand, and start dealing with reality. Removing DRM is the first step in Games Preservation, not some "alternative choice" because some dude with a bucket full of empty promises on Youtube told you he's found some magic loophole that involves crayoning in the word "product" over the top of every obvious service. That's not gonna work in most countries. Some people just understand the legal system better than others...
Post edited June 29, 2025 by ListyG
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Matthias00001111: very tasteful to awoke the image of domestic violence against women, when you compare my logic. Reminds me of car companies running ads of woman getting assaulted to smear Right to Repair campaigns. You have done your homework!
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ListyG: It's a well known pre-supposition based logical fallacy that perfectly highlights the troll-like nature of "GOG's DRM-Free games have DRM in because I, Matthias00001111, say so, prove to me they don't".
wrong, you're just a manipulative coward who wants to evoke a strong emotional response out of everyone by making a mountain out of a molehill.
Actual garbage-human behavior.

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ListyG: That your only response is feigned indignation further highlights the fact you're simply pissed at being called out for the trolling you chose to initiate to try and stave off that cognitive dissonance...
says the manipulative coward who brings up the topic of domestic violence against women for absolute no reason.

It's not complicated: just prove why GOG wouldn't implement ever any killswitches to the games they sell...

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Matthias00001111: you guys are so obsessed with purchases of other people and still can't respond why this should be a concern...
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ListyG: See, I was right. It was entirely about that. ;-) We get it, you loved The Crew. And you're really, really angry you can't play the single player bit. But the reason you can't play it offline after 10 years whilst we can play 80's-90's racing games +30-40 years on is it's a DRM'd online service. And at some point you're going to have to stop putting on the "fake pikachu face" in wanting to blame everything but that, pull your head out the sand, and start dealing with reality. Removing DRM is the first step in Games Preservation, not some "alternative choice" because some dude with a bucket full of empty promises on Youtube told you he's found some magic loophole that involves crayoning in the word "product" over the top of every obvious service. That's not gonna work in most countries. Some people just understand the legal system better than others...
I don't care about Crew at all. I never owned it. I care about my purchases simply not being revoked without serious legal repercussions.
Post edited June 29, 2025 by Matthias00001111
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Matthias00001111: YOU told that your backups will function fine and I am simply asking you what proof you can provide, that they don't have a killswitch,
No, I don't have concrete proof of a negative, that GOG's offline installers don't have a kill switch, but neither do you have proof that they do. You seem to be the one that is claiming that GOG is fraudulent, therefore the burden is on you to prove that. There is no evidence that GOG is doing anything nefarious, and they should be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is generally the reasonable basis for most systems of laws.

I trust GOG and I would not assume they are dishonest unless I saw some evidence to that affect. In other words, I believe they deserve the benefit of the doubt. In the absence of evidence, it is only reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, presumably you don't ever purchase anything from private corporations, until you have proven 100% that they are honest?

Aside from that, I agree to GOG's terms of purchase, when I purchase a game here. To me, the terms of purchase are very important. I do not agree to Steam's, Ubisoft's terms of purchase, because they explicitly strip me of any ownership of that game I am buying. GOG's terms do not do that. And even if GOG did turn out to be fraudulent (which I think is extremely unlikely in the way you are suggesting), they would then be violating their own terms of purchase and clearly committing fraud. Therefore, I believe I would have some degree of cover and legal recourse. The same is not true for Steam, Ubisoft, therefore I refuse to buy from them.

Beyond that, it is blatantly obvious that you are trolling and trying to disrupt the thread. I'm not going to respond to you any further.
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Matthias00001111: YOU told that your backups will function fine and I am simply asking you what proof you can provide, that they don't have a killswitch,
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Time4Tea: I trust GOG and I would not assume they are dishonest unless I saw some evidence to that affect. In other words, I believe they deserve the benefit of the doubt. In the absence of evidence, it is only reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, presumably you don't ever purchase anything from private corporations, until you have proven 100% that they are honest?
Well that's exactly where I think the core problem is. I don't think there is any good reason to trust ANY company. Companies are there to separate you from your money. And they will eventually do that by any means necessary, as long as we don't have basic rules to make them behave themselves. The GOG of today can be very different to the GOG of tomorrow.
Hence my killswitch hypothetical

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Time4Tea: Beyond that, it is blatantly obvious that you are trolling and trying to disrupt the thread. I'm not going to respond to you any further.
Responding to all of your nonsense is trolling and disruption? :'(
You guys are so dramatic.
Post edited June 29, 2025 by Matthias00001111
643k and counting on the European citizens' initiative.
GOG can still help pull it across the finish line.

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Post edited June 29, 2025 by MegisED
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Matthias00001111: you guys are so obsessed with purchases of other people and still can't respond why this should be a concern...
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Matthias00001111: wrong, you're just a manipulative coward.
Clearly the truth hit a nerve there eh? People aren't "obsessed" over what DRM'd games you buy personally but rather when it comes to campaigns like this, a lot of people naturally have more respect for those who lead by example or practise what they preach. Something you might consider rather than keep doubling down on the equivalent of asking someone to sign a petition against environmental pollution then go home and place a string of orders from known fly-tippers, then defend that by inventing baseless conspiracies, then double-down with personal attacks. Yeah, that's gonna get "more signatures" for sure. I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually. Have a good weekend.
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Matthias00001111: wrong, you're just a manipulative coward.
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ListyG: Clearly the truth hit a nerve there eh? People aren't "obsessed" over what DRM'd games you buy personally but rather when it comes to campaigns like this, a lot of people naturally have more respect for those who lead by example or practise what they preach. Something you might consider rather than keep doubling down on the equivalent of asking someone to sign a petition against environmental pollution then go home and place a string of orders from known fly-tippers, then defend that by inventing baseless conspiracies, then double-down with personal attacks. Yeah, that's gonna get "more signatures" for sure. I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually. Have a good weekend.
The only idea I get from you guys, the more you respond to me, is that you want to make this issue a purity contest.
You guys argue like vegans, lmao

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Post edited June 29, 2025 by Matthias00001111
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MegisED: 643k and counting on the European citizens' initiative.
GOG can still help pull it across the finish line.

Stop Destroying Videogames
Why does everyone want more drm in there games? Why is everyone backing a movement that has no actual plan?