Fair enough.
Hadn't skimmed the stardock thread in a day, and wow. He has issues.
Dude was giving me "failed Cleveland Blakemore" vibes, aka the guy who finally published/released Grimoire after 17+ years of development/whatever time.

Ooh wow, just gave him a quick google and I see what you mean.

Thank you for coming in to post just to insult me. I would think someone like you who seems to think to comment on how to be persuasive would know how not to make an ass of oneself. But go ahead. Downvote every one of my posts regardless of content and pretend you aren't making a troll of yourself...

Please try to explain how your post isn't being abusive or a jerk, please...
Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

What were you posting about in this thread again?
It's hard to remember with the wall of text requotes & you ranting about downvotes.


Given the choice between believing Stardock vs P&F, I am leaning towards believing P&F.
Stardock & Brad Wardell in particular have a history of dickery, the Stardock gamers bill of rights vanishing from the internet being one of the funniest. The Bee-master Wardell lawsuit & it's outcome is not so light-heartedly funny.

I have been periodically reading this thread since it was first posted. I opened this thread again and was reading the recent comments, one of your posts struck me as clearly abrasive and abusive, so I downvoted it. But I don't like having ALL posts hidden after downvoting one, so I unhid your posts and was immediately insulted by you and had your wishes for my future suffering, all because I was one of the people who dared to downvote you. Now you want to project your own facile and childish behavior on me, as if I had in anyway done something similar to you.

"try hard amateur armchair lawyer" "overweening sense of self-importance" What else could you have possibly concluded was an "insult"? That vs "You forum morons are at it again with the downvoting. I hope everyone of you suffers for being the complete and utter jerks you all are. YOU people are why this forum has gone to shit and you people are too stupid to realize it. People like you will get exactly what you deserve in time. Losers all of you."

Who downvoted ALL of your comments? I downvoted one only. The one where you behaved like a petulant child, wishing suffering on all those who dared to find your arrogant condescending pretentious airs abrasive and abusive. Who actually wishes suffering on people for downvoting a post? And you have the gall to call me a jerk, abusive, and that *I* am making an ass out of myself? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You seem to be almost completely clueless and lacking any self-awareness, or at the least, the basic honesty to admit a wrong, or dare to do anything that might call your, yes, overweening sense of self-importance into question. Keep projecting away and trying to deflect your own pathetic behavior onto others who call you on your childish bs.

Please show exactly what an adult you are by going onto a forum and calling others children. You are not contributing to the discussion just calling out another forum member.

The truth is I know far more about this than the majority of vocal people in the thread calling Fred and Paul's case promising. The fact that you do not "get it" speaks a lot to your ignorance in this matter. Fred and Paul are not doing themselves any favors with the court by attempting to curry public sympathy while a lawsuit is in progress. Anyone with even an inkling of knowledge about the legal system will know that to be true. Public tweets from their PR firm saying things like "Stardock with be publicly humiliated for their theft of Star Control IP", an IP that Stardock paid $300,000 for are clearly defamatory. This is not helping their legal case AT ALL! Publicly revealing proposed settlements will not be received well at all either. That's pretty much a Negotiation Law 101 mistake. And to the extent these claimed settlements are false or exaggerated (which Stardock has claimed they are without going into detail), those statements become more fuel for the fire for Stardock's case.

But please, keep insulting me and claiming "I'm wrong" with no actual explanation. Boy that sure make you look so knowledgeable (sarcasm). What Fred and Paul are doing on their blog and in their Twitter posts are completely shooting themselves in the foot. And it should be very obvious to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the legal system.

There is a reason GoG doesn't comment on certain topics like the Death Gate removal. They know that to publicly comment might be used as evidence against them should they have made a mistake in gathering all the necessary permissions to release it. While it would be nice to hear a "lawyer approved" comment on the matter, they may find it wiser to "no comment" the issue. As a company, legally speaking they seem to generally have their act together as opposed to Fred and Paul who somehow think publicly discussing the issue and calling out Stardock from every mountain top will somehow help their court case. They have already had their DMCA claims turned down on Steam as even the "Star Control Bundle" is available for sale. Presumably because Steam's lawyers have determined that Stardock has clear ownership of the distribution rights for all the games. That is yet another bad sign for their legal case and I get the sense that they are embarking in this public smear campaign because their legal case is so weak and they just seem to have a vindictive streak about them.

Now, if you want to have an actual intelligent discussion about the issues here, let's have it, but making inflammatory off-topic posts to attack me just makes you appear to be just one of the many trolls on this forum who would rather go out of their way to insult or cause trouble as opposed to having a real discussion about any matter.

If all of P&F's claims online are exaggerated, and Stardock is making notes, then why are you so angry about it Mr Wardell?

Better change your spelling before he blows a gasket. :P

https://www.dogarandkazon.com/blog/2018/3/24/nope-and-nope

The important bit:

That's the thing I was most interested in/was discussing in the other Stardock vs F&P GOG thread.

Copyright attorney Leonard French has put up a couple of videos on the case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it50gS5yYB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yochP8F69LY

It's mostly just a step-by-step summary of what we know so far, although he does briefly provide his own perspective a couple of times. If you follow the links, be sure to scan the comments section because Wardell and his acolytes are on the move, along with the notorious Kavik Kang ;)

Man the level of detail in that pair of videos really makes me wonder why Wardell hasn't loaded his lawyers into a cannon and shot them into the sun. This just looks like an example of bad faith shady dealings.

Stardock, knowing they only bought trademarks, tries to legitimize their ownership claims by offering to sell copyrighted material (which they probably don't own) back to the creators of said material. It's downright amateurish. No wonder Ford and Reiche have been refusing all along - they seem to have seen through the ploy before the second step.

Nice that that YT lawyer offers such big chunks of the actual complaints. I had only seen both sides' summaries and summarizing a legal document is pretty much the surest way to make sure it doesn't seem to say what it actually says :P

Pretty funny that Wardell's official whine thread on the Stardock forums is also a public record and 99% likely to be used as evidence if this lawsuit/counter-lawsuit does go to trial. I look forward to Kavik_Kang being called up as a witness/counter witness as both parties attempt to troll & counter-troll the ever-living f%ck out of each other in court.

This proposed strategy will surely not backfire, and make the judge working the case assign ALL Star Control related trademark rights to Kavik_Kang out of A) sheer hatred B) the desire to troll the appeal court systems with Kavik_Kang C)a honest belief that yes, SFB was the UR-SOURCE that everyone ripped off including William Shakespeare, Abraham Lincoln, and Peter Molyneux.

My favourite person!

Thanks for posting those, an interesting watch.