No, that is just a marketing spin from porn industry. Standard talking points to normalize porn and make it out to be something other than it is. Porn is not educational, as anyone trying to imitate porn scenes with a partner learned the hard way.

30 years ago, when I was a kid, I could buy porn mags in any convenience store. Gays were nowhere to be heard of back then. Today we are discussing gay rights and I can no longer buy porn mags in local store. It is not impossible to buy porn, you just go to a dedicated venue that sells this stuff.
By your logic, we would expect for gays to have even less rights than 30 years ago since local convenience store no longer sells porn.

It would be censorship if GOG were the last bastion of porn left standing, but it's not. There are multitudes of locations for getting your porn. There was never a time in human history when it was easier to get porn than it is today.

This is not censorship.

"snowflake" is in the same category as "prude" that you used in your own post.
If you don't want to be insulted, don't insult other people.

Then the real topic is not and never was "sexually explicit games" VS "chaste games" but "well done and beautiful games both in graphics and in meaning, and obviously in mechanics" VS "poorly made games in some or all aspects" (this was Wilde's point and, barring its extreme parts, is still largely valid)

Yes, this comes back around to what I said earlier: the issue is not sexual content, it is about quality, and whether these things can even really be considered 'games'. This whole argument about 'censorship of sexual content' is a strawman being erected by those that want to open the floodgates to an influx of low-quality games on GOG, because to criticize a game as being low-quality, which happens to also have sexual content, must surely be an attempt at censorship.

- a good game, with worthwhile, fun gameplay, that also includes adult content - I'm all for it
- poor-quality games/shovelware, regardless of whether it includes AO content or not - no thanks

Dude, I have seen this phenomenon in nearly every one of these topics. It's quickly become used in the same way as someone would say "I'm not racist, but...[clearly racist statement follows]". All we need now is for them to say their criticism is okay, because they have adult film star friends (jealous if so, haha).

Actually, I think that argument can be made in the sense that there are different "starting places," so to speak. Adult content/media has generally been repressed and censored, more than other content/media. So, to leave it out of a store, even if not intending to overtly censor, has a similar effect of maintaining the status quo of censorship if not reinforcing it further. That's not to say it's GOG or any store's responsibility to reverse the effect.
Wonderfully said.

Why is she offended, and should she be offended?

Should I be offended by romantic stories and movies aimed at women where male roles are merely to adore the female protagonist, and/or baddies? I don't find that realistic at all because I am not like that at all.

First of all, if the argument is that "because they are not making porn games for women with bulging male private parts, they shouldn't make porn games for men either", that is just a silly and irrelevant argument. So what is the actual problem we are trying to solve here?

a) They should make porn games for women!

b) They shouldn't make porn games for men!

To me it appears that in this discussion a) is used as a flawed argument for b), while in reality those two arguments are not even related.

Anyway, how do you know if a game is geared specifically (and only) to the female crowd? Is a female protagonist enough, or that you can select a female character in e.g. an online game (there are LOTS of such games)

I guess first we would need to analyze, what kind of games the female crowd likes to play. My wife used to play Candy Crush Saga quite a lot on her phone, but got fed up with it at some point, and doesn't seem that interested in gaming overall. She rather stays in social media all the time discussing with her friends, calls her friends every day and meets them. Gossip seems to be a big part of her life, that seems to give her lots of enjoyment.

I know a 24 year old young woman too who likes to play Minecraft a lot, but I don't think she plays anything else, really. My gut feeling simply is that OVERALL, women like to play video games less than men. and are more into social activities like social media, meeting friends etc. I base this to women I know. Yes I know there are gaming women too, but I am talking about overall tendencies.

My main point is that there is no international conspiracy where all the game development studios in the world have agreed to not make games for girls and women. If they could figure out a game that would be massively popular among female gamers and would sell loads, they would instantly make it.

So: if porn games aimed specifically for women would sell well, such games would be made and sold.

So if I understood you right, there are "smut games" geared for women? Can you name some, and are they selling well?

Also, has it been analyzed is it really girls and women who buy and play such games? I recall the old "Playgirl"-incident where they made an adult magazine for women, similar to Playboy.

In the end, it didn't seem to do that well (3000 subscribers worldwide if I read right), and a big part of its readership was apparently gay men. Also while it apparently had nude men, sex and porn was not the main point of magazine, but it features lots of (feminist) articles about women's issues, abortion etc.

So you can't say they haven't at least tried to release "smut magazines" also for women. If women are not interested enough in such media, that is the real "problem".

No idea, to be honest. Much like with sports games, I recall seeing them, but haven't bothered to commit details to memory. I am straight, only interested in seeing pretty anime girls get boinked.

When it comes to how often I see and promptly forget, though...hm. I would say about 40% of the sexual media presented is solely built for ladies or men-on-men folks. If you want to browse news about lewd games, you can try LewdGamer. Be advised, LG doesn't censor.

There is a pretty good reason for why hentai games are not as well developed when compared to their standard peers: It takes experience and resources to create things, and by being repressed, the medium of perversion had less opportunity for masters of the craft to emerge.

You cannot have quality product without the creators first learning from their mistakes and peers. This is why the golden age of porn games is likely to happen a decade from now. Artists of any creative medium need opportunities to expose their work to the world.

If it is truly a case of quality being the issue, breaking eggs before they become chickens is self-defeating. You cannot select a next generation of greater chickens, if their progenitors didn't exist.

Took a while, but there it is.

Don't think you can get off on a technicality. "However", in this instance, is exactly the same as "but".

Heh, "butt".

The Left wants to censor things that are funny, the Right wants to censo things that are naughty, those people want to censor things they don't like, these people wants to censor things things they find objectionable...

Here's a radical idea.

Let people choose what they want to enjoy or not. Don't force your views on others.

"Hell is other people."

Yes, indeed. If I forced all of you to only do things I like, you'd all hate me. So when you try to tell others to only enjoy the things you like, guess what.

And before the edgy bois come at me with "then paedos get to enjoy little kids, hyuk, hyuk", we're not talking about infringing on the rights of other people for self-gratification, tardlord. That'd be silly.

Heh, "get off."

Huehuehue!

Where is the golden age of porn movies by that account?
They have been around long enough to hone their skills yet all they produce is generic 40 minute clips with no spoken lines. They are hyper produced because they are meant to be used once and discarded, since the problem with porn is that you always need a fresh dose.

Let's stop pretending that there is anything artistic about porn. Brief period in history where there was some poor plot in porn movies was just a scam to classify them as work of art and circumvent laws.

I am not inclined to believe your claim. Someone who hates a subject, is often not fit to pass judgment on the issue.

Aside from that, I have a rather large collection of hentai - but there are various items within it that I tend to go back to. To say the least, that doesn't correlate with your "need a fresh dose". At least, not any more so than with standard media. Just because I play Prey 2017, doesn't mean that System Shock 2 is dead to me.

You are not inclined to believe my claim? I am getting a feeling that you don't really watch porn, do you?

Why do you presume I hate porn? I don't hate it.
I hate the ubiquity of porn. I hate it being sold on general gaming stores.
There is porn in movies, commercials, music videos. For god sake, I live in a small country and every couple of months there is an article on main stream news sites about how much money a girl can make on OnlyFans.

Why are you all so obsessed on forcing porn everywhere and on everybody? Can't we just have a nice separate places to wank off in peace?
How is selling porn on general game store not forcing anything on anybody?


Here's a radical idea.

Buy your porn games from a porn games store.