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Posted January 29, 2022
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sanscript: (well, perhaps apart from Graven, the new Hexen-clone, if it isn't dead)
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Crosmando: You got my hopes up with "Hexen clone", then I looked it up and it's a fully 3D shooter modern-looking shooter. It doesn't even have sprites. Shame on you.
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sprites are lame
Posted January 29, 2022
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Humor me so I do not have to sift 10 pages, is this going to be a freebie? Ill add it to my list if it is :)
Post edited January 29, 2022 by ChuckBeaver
Posted January 30, 2022
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ChuckBeaver: Humor me so I do not have to sift 10 pages, is this going to be a freebie? Ill add it to my list if it is :)
No, it will not.
Posted January 30, 2022
Will Selaco find a home on GOG?
Will GOG force us to give money to Valve in order to play this fantastic looking game?

Stay tuned!
Posted January 30, 2022
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Plumb: Will Selaco find a home on GOG?
Will GOG force us to give money to Valve in order to play this fantastic looking game?

Stay tuned!
This is the shittiest season ever, if I'm being honest. The GOG arc is being dragged out for way too long with no proper plot development. It's like the showrunners are barely communicating with one another.
Post edited January 30, 2022 by Wesley_de_Waart
Posted January 30, 2022
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Wesley_de_Waart: This is the shittiest season ever, if I'm being honest. The GOG arc is being dragged out for way too long with no proper plot development. It's like the showrunners are barely communicating with one another.
The GOG's email, no luck? Also I think I know what needs to be done in order to solve this situation - Selaco Demo (Public), don't you agree?
Posted January 30, 2022
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Wesley_de_Waart: This is the shittiest season ever, if I'm being honest. The GOG arc is being dragged out for way too long with no proper plot development. It's like the showrunners are barely communicating with one another.
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Cadaver747: The GOG's email, no luck? Also I think I know what needs to be done in order to solve this situation - Selaco Demo (Public), don't you agree?
HAAAAAAA, no! Not yet.

And still no email :(
Posted January 30, 2022
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Wesley_de_Waart: And still no email :(
A bit strange, if you send an email on that GOG address why would they ignore it, there is no sense in that unless they are swamped with work.
Posted January 30, 2022
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Cadaver747: The GOG's email, no luck? Also I think I know what needs to be done in order to solve this situation - Selaco Demo (Public), don't you agree?
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Wesley_de_Waart: HAAAAAAA, no! Not yet.

And still no email :(
all right. GOG's loss. please try Zoom-Platform or some other DRM-free distributor. (could just do itch.io ultimately, I suppose)
Posted January 30, 2022
I'm starting to think GOG is intentionally trolling Wesley just to see how long it takes for him to give up.
Posted January 30, 2022
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Cadaver747: The GOG's email, no luck? Also I think I know what needs to be done in order to solve this situation - Selaco Demo (Public), don't you agree?
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Wesley_de_Waart: HAAAAAAA, no! Not yet.

And still no email :(
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mannefriedrich: Had someone from tech support relay the situation and ask one of their colleagues (from curation/acquisition I reckon) to 'look into the matter' last week - not only in regards to Selaco and other titles (Song of Iron, Realms of Antiquity, Star Fleet II: Krellan Commander, etc) but the in general rather counterproductive handling of submissions as well, hope it helps and, more importantly in time.

If that's not the case, I'd surely be not alone in appreciating if you (and other affected developers/publishers, should they read this) could try again another time. Can't say for sure of course but by the sounds of it curation/acquisition really are still positively swamped by, and I quote: 'a ton of game submissions' in 'a very long line to get [...] reviewed'.
Depending on how far back this supposed 'very long line' of submissions goes (and if first-come, first-served is part of the reviewing process) it may still take them quite a while to get back to you. Certainly longer than the month-long ultimatum.
Posted January 30, 2022
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Cadaver747: The GOG's email, no luck? Also I think I know what needs to be done in order to solve this situation - Selaco Demo (Public), don't you agree?
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Wesley_de_Waart: HAAAAAAA, no! Not yet.

And still no email :(
Your logic is assuming you will get scammed or something? You do realize GoG is a business, yes? If a random stranger on the street walked up to you and shows you pictures of a used car and told you he wanted you to buy it. He says "Can I see it in person and test drive it?", with you responding, HAAAAAAA, no!

Who sounds like a scammer? You. They want to know if you are selling a viable product. GOG is legally responsible for what they host and all legal ramifications as a result of someone that scam customers. You don't prove you even have a game beyond a few pictures and short videos and they are supposed to trust an unknown person making claims without any evidence to back it up.

On the matter of DLC. From what I have read, asking a simple question of "What are your plans for any addons, after the primary base game is released?" is reasonable. To AGAIN respond with nothing, is only proving your lack of being a credible game developer and smells of a scam. Literally all of your public responses have held no evidence to back up the claim you even have a game at all. That seems the primary reason you are being ignored by GOG. No evidence of a product they are responsible for equals, why if you refuse to trust the company you intend to host your product. To have any expectation they will trust you?

As for everyone that will obviously be triggered by this commentary. Use your brain. The developer refuses to provide evidence to gog and wants gog to trust him. No game to even test to make certain there is no malware? Nothing to test on multiple machines to see if it installs correctly? Nothing to test, to see if it even is a game? Literally nothing as gog requires of any new game developer. GOG is covering their company and as a derivative, their customers.

Everyone squeals like a stuck pig when GOG fails to protect the customer and when they actually do so, you are all complaining and making baseless assumptions.

If the developers actually do have a great game, good. I'd play it. But ragging on GOG for their lack of trust in a dev that very clearly publicly states there lack of trust in GOG and refusal to provide evidence of what their product is, says more about the developer than it does of gog.

Don't forget to be a troll and downvote.
Posted January 30, 2022
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Wesley_de_Waart: HAAAAAAA, no! Not yet.

And still no email :(
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Shmacky-McNuts: Your logic is assuming you will get scammed or something? You do realize GoG is a business, yes? If a random stranger on the street walked up to you and shows you pictures of a used car and told you he wanted you to buy it. He says "Can I see it in person and test drive it?", with you responding, HAAAAAAA, no!

Who sounds like a scammer? You. They want to know if you are selling a viable product. GOG is legally responsible for what they host and all legal ramifications as a result of someone that scam customers. You don't prove you even have a game beyond a few pictures and short videos and they are supposed to trust an unknown person making claims without any evidence to back it up.

On the matter of DLC. From what I have read, asking a simple question of "What are your plans for any addons, after the primary base game is released?" is reasonable. To AGAIN respond with nothing, is only proving your lack of being a credible game developer and smells of a scam. Literally all of your public responses have held no evidence to back up the claim you even have a game at all. That seems the primary reason you are being ignored by GOG. No evidence of a product they are responsible for equals, why if you refuse to trust the company you intend to host your product. To have any expectation they will trust you?

As for everyone that will obviously be triggered by this commentary. Use your brain. The developer refuses to provide evidence to gog and wants gog to trust him. No game to even test to make certain there is no malware? Nothing to test on multiple machines to see if it installs correctly? Nothing to test, to see if it even is a game? Literally nothing as gog requires of any new game developer. GOG is covering their company and as a derivative, their customers.

Everyone squeals like a stuck pig when GOG fails to protect the customer and when they actually do so, you are all complaining and making baseless assumptions.

If the developers actually do have a great game, good. I'd play it. But ragging on GOG for their lack of trust in a dev that very clearly publicly states there lack of trust in GOG and refusal to provide evidence of what their product is, says more about the developer than it does of gog.

Don't forget to be a troll and downvote.
We were just joking good sir. Cadaver is a backer who actually played the game already. He mentioned in a previous reply that he liked it. I have no idea why you are jumping to such wild accusations but allow me to respond to all of it.

"Who sounds like a scammer? You."

For not releasing a public demo yet? We have an internal demo that I am willing to provide to GOG if they contact us. I have no idea where this ridiculous assumption of you even comes from. What the actual fuck? The public demo (which will be available to EVERYONE) is not ready yet. Game development takes time, good sir, a lot of time. Simply not having a demo ready does not mean it's a scam, it means it is being worked on. Overly roughly 150 people outside of the team have played the game, which includes some people we all know and love. Thinking it's a scam is such a dumb claim to make that I have no idea why I even bother defending myself.

You don't prove you even have a game beyond a few pictures and short videos
You're in luck good sir, here are 3:04 minutes of unbroken gameplay that we showed at Realms Deep, which we did to prove that we are more than just 10-30 second twitter snippets!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozxnmQyzll4&ab_channel=Selaco

From what I have read, asking a simple question of "What are your plans for any addons, after the primary base game is released?" is reasonable. To AGAIN respond with nothing, is only proving your lack of being a credible game developer and smells of a scam.

I have made it perfectly clear on multiple occasions in this thread that Selaco has zero desire to release paid DLC. We're doing that in the form of free content updates post-launch. Please read a little a better.

The developer refuses to provide evidence to gog and wants gog to trust him

Again, please read. In an older reply I said:
"Both been addressed in the submission itself, with an offer for a playable build. Indeed when we submitted it last year we did not have a playable build available yet"

"But ragging on GOG for their lack of trust in a dev that very clearly publicly states there lack of trust in GOG and refusal to provide evidence of what their product is"

GOG's lack of communication is not exclusive to us, it's a common problem among my fellow indie developers who do not have a publisher. Games that do have established publishers are easily approved while the ones who do things solo or with a tiny team have to fight tooth and nail just to get their game on there.

Despite GOG being difficult, I'm still here trying to get it on there. If anything that should prove just how much I believe in GOG as a platform and DRM-free gaming in general. But they seriously need to step up their weakest link which is, by far, their way of communicating with developers.

"Don't forget to be a troll and downvote."
I just did the latter, good sir!

Have a wonderful day.
Post edited January 30, 2022 by Wesley_de_Waart
Posted January 30, 2022
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150 people? Minus the company staff you expect to sell your product? Good job on that logic. You literally tell people openly your refusal to provide GOG with anything they can test and act as if they are the problem.

Read the entire thread here and also read a few others in which your responses were similar. None of which mentions you giving anything GOG requested. What I did read is how you mention you are not willing to provide gog with a test product. But it seems you rather stir up arguments and be a troll here. Feel free to go elsewhere with your negative attitude and snarky remarks, when your potential customer base is seeking a modicum of credible evidence to your claims.
Posted January 30, 2022
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Shmacky-McNuts: 150 people?
613 people, actually:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/selaco

And that's just those who are aware of Selaco's existence in the first place.
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