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Posted December 31, 2013
Today, we bid farewell to the legendary post-apocalyptic 2D classics.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we needed to pull the three classic Fallout games, that is Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout Tactics, from sale and remove them from our DRM-free catalog. These classic titles have been with us since day one, that is for over 5 years now, and they were always one of the highlights of the selection of games that we offer. There are very few titles in the history of computer role-playing games, that have had so much impact on the gaming landscape, players' expectations, and even the popular culture. The iconic setting, the memorable quotes, and unparalleled amount of fun and challenge these games provide--it's all burned in the memory of a whole generation of gamers. Probably even more than just one generation. It was an honor to have you here, Fallout. Take good care of yourself out there, try not to mistake a gecko for G.E.C.K. (not even remotely the same thing!), and remember to take your Rad-X pills!

<img src="http://www.gog.com/upload/images/2013/12/0100650e79ca7799caa0064b2e2611a62396ed6f.png">

All those who acquired Fallout, Fallout 2, or Fallout Tactics on GOG.com prior to the date of removal (that is before Tuesday, December 31st 2013, at 3:59PM GMT), will still be able to download the games' install files (as well as the bonus content) via the "My Games" section of their user accounts. Gift-codes for these three games acquired in our recent giveaway are no longer valid. However, if you own a gift-code for any or all of them that was purchased outside of the said giveaway, you'll still be able to redeem it in the foreseeable future.

We sincerely apologize for all the inconvenience this situation may have caused you. We invite you to browse through 671 other fantastic titles offered in our DRM-free catalog of the best games in history, and we wish you a Happy New Year of gaming!
Posted January 18, 2014
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RafaelLopez: The same news you read apparently. There's no reason not to put those games back in business right here too, the fact that they'll prioritize Steam means it's going to take a while but doesn't mean it won't happen like in this year.

Sure, Beth is inclined to DRM, but such old games, and how they sell well here... I think it's going to be the beginning of their relationship with GOG, finally.
Morrowind is also pretty old and has yet to come here. Same case with Arena and Daggerfall (yes they are free, but that's no excuse, since GOG already has freeware games on the catalog.) We're talking about the same company that decided to rerelease Morrowind and Doom 3 retail with Steamworks. It won't happen anytime soon.
Post edited January 18, 2014 by Grargar
Posted January 18, 2014
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RafaelLopez: The same news you read apparently. There's no reason not to put those games back in business right here too, the fact that they'll prioritize Steam means it's going to take a while but doesn't mean it won't happen like in this year.

Sure, Beth is inclined to DRM, but such old games, and how they sell well here... I think it's going to be the beginning of their relationship with GOG, finally.
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Grargar: Morrowind is also pretty old and has yet to come here. Same case with Arena and Daggerfall (yes they are free, but that's no excuse, since GOG already has freeware games on the catalog.) We're talking about the same company that decided to rerelease Morrowind and Doom 3 retail with Steamworks. It won't happen anytime soon.
Are you sure Doom 3 BFG isn't DRM free? Just because it uses some Steamworks features doesn't mean that it isn't DRM free, they don't have to use the DRM features. Besides they released the source code for Doom 3 BFG Edition(a month after its release even!) so it can hardly be a case of insisting on DRM since anyone can just run binaries from some source port instead.
Posted January 18, 2014
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Kristian: Are you sure Doom 3 BFG isn't DRM free? Just because it uses some Steamworks features doesn't mean that it isn't DRM free, they don't have to use the DRM features. Besides they released the source code for Doom 3 BFG Edition(a month after its release even!) so it can hardly be a case of insisting on DRM since anyone can just run binaries from some source port instead.
Doom 3 BFG Edition requires Steamworks, whether you buy retail or not. And the release of the source code means nothing. You must still download the Steam client, make a Steam account and download the game before you apply the source port. Hardly DRM-Free.
Post edited January 18, 2014 by Grargar
Posted January 18, 2014
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Kristian: Are you sure Doom 3 BFG isn't DRM free? Just because it uses some Steamworks features doesn't mean that it isn't DRM free, they don't have to use the DRM features. Besides they released the source code for Doom 3 BFG Edition(a month after its release even!) so it can hardly be a case of insisting on DRM since anyone can just run binaries from some source port instead.
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Grargar: Doom 3 BFG Edition requires Steamworks, whether you buy retail or not. And the release of the source code means nothing. You must still download the Steam client, make a Steam account and download the game before you apply the source port. Hardly DRM-Free.
Buying and downloading games from Steam is no different from buying and downloading games from GOG. GOG also requires you to create an account before you can buy games from them. Doom 3 BFG Edition is DRM Free when running a source port.
Posted January 18, 2014
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Kristian: Buying and downloading games from Steam is no different from buying and downloading games from GOG. GOG also requires you to create an account before you can buy games from them. Doom 3 BFG Edition is DRM Free when running a source port.
If that's the case:
1) What if I don't buy the game from Steam, but from Gamersgate? Nope, no dice. I MUST still create a Steam account and install the client if I want to play it. So, not like GOG at all.
2) What if I buy retail? Nope, no escape. Steamworks for me.
3) Also, saying that a game is DRM-Free because a source port bypasses DRM is ludicrous. It's like saying that every game is DRM-Free since the DRM is bypassed by pirates. Just because some people (Not people from Bethesda/id) made a Steamworks game DRM-Free, doesn't mean that Bethesda/id sell it DRM-Free.
Posted January 18, 2014
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Kristian: Buying and downloading games from Steam is no different from buying and downloading games from GOG. GOG also requires you to create an account before you can buy games from them. Doom 3 BFG Edition is DRM Free when running a source port.
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Grargar: If that's the case:
1) What if I don't buy the game from Steam, but from Gamersgate? Nope, no dice. I MUST still create a Steam account and install the client if I want to play it. So, not like GOG at all.
2) What if I buy retail? Nope, no escape. Steamworks for me.
3) Also, saying that a game is DRM-Free because a source port bypasses DRM is ludicrous. It's like saying that every game is DRM-Free since the DRM is bypassed by pirates. Just because some people (Not people from Bethesda/id) made a Steamworks game DRM-Free, doesn't mean that Bethesda/id sell it DRM-Free.
You don't get what I am saying at all. What I am saying it this: If Bethesda and id cared so much about DRM and piracy as some people would have us think then they wouldn't have enabled people to easily and legally by pass any and all DRM on Doom 3 BFG Edition.
Posted January 18, 2014
Also, once you download your game from gog, you can copy it anywhere you want, and install it on any PC, anytime you want.

You cant do that with Steam. Best you can do is copy the whole game folder, which imo is less convenient (and doesnt work with all the titles).
Posted January 18, 2014
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Kristian: Buying and downloading games from Steam is no different from buying and downloading games from GOG. GOG also requires you to create an account before you can buy games from them. Doom 3 BFG Edition is DRM Free when running a source port.
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Grargar: If that's the case:
1) What if I don't buy the game from Steam, but from Gamersgate? Nope, no dice. I MUST still create a Steam account and install the client if I want to play it. So, not like GOG at all.
2) What if I buy retail? Nope, no escape. Steamworks for me.
3) Also, saying that a game is DRM-Free because a source port bypasses DRM is ludicrous. It's like saying that every game is DRM-Free since the DRM is bypassed by pirates. Just because some people (Not people from Bethesda/id) made a Steamworks game DRM-Free, doesn't mean that Bethesda/id sell it DRM-Free.
GOG is really no different than SecuROM or any other DRM. You have to log into your GOG account in order to download your game. Thus you have to prove that you own a license to the game. With SecuROM you have to prove this everytime you launch the game. The only difference is that you do it more often.

If your game uses SecuROM then it's DRM-free like GOG.

Thank you ladies and gentlemen for tuning in to channel 6 for another episode of the Twilight Zone.
Posted January 18, 2014
Is this the twilight zone?
Posted January 18, 2014
This sucks. Glad I have them all, but hope they return someday for others.
Posted January 19, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: GOG is really no different than SecuROM or any other DRM. You have to log into your GOG account in order to download your game. Thus you have to prove that you own a license to the game. With SecuROM you have to prove this everytime you launch the game. The only difference is that you do it more often.

If your game uses SecuROM then it's DRM-free like GOG.

Thank you ladies and gentlemen for tuning in to channel 6 for another episode of the Twilight Zone.
Well, it's a digital distribution store. You can't exactly download a game without Internet, but once you download the game from GOG, that's it. You don't ever have to redownload the game again. Hell, you don't even need to visit GOG ever again. Sure, you might miss on updates and such, but you don't necessarily need them. As for SecuROM, this depends on what kind of SecuROM you are talking about. I personally don't mind a SecuROM disc check, but SecuROM is also infamous for limited activations, for taking a crap on your disc drive and for being notoriously difficult to remove from your PC.

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Kristian: You don't get what I am saying at all. What I am saying it this: If Bethesda and id cared so much about DRM and piracy as some people would have us think then they wouldn't have enabled people to easily and legally by pass any and all DRM on Doom 3 BFG Edition.
DRM can be easily bypassed anyway with or without the source code. Day 1 releases at torrent sites prove this. Was their intent to release the source code so you can bypass their DRM? Of course not. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, because it still requires extra steps from the user to do this (compile stuff and whatever.) And the source port is far from perfect. (problems with Doom Classic) And if Bethesda really didn't care about DRM, they wouldn't have their games available solely through Steam or retroactively add CEG to Skyrim.
Post edited January 19, 2014 by Grargar
Posted January 19, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: GOG is really no different than SecuROM or any other DRM. You have to log into your GOG account in order to download your game.
What the...? I don't even... Whoa, stop it! So you're saying my Coke is DRMed, because I had to go to a supermarket to take it home? That's bad... I'll never drink any product of Coca Cola again until they drop all forms of DRM!

In a more serious way: You're mixing things up! You have to log in to your account to prove to GOG that you've paid for the product. That's... uhm... the same as being in a store when you're buying stuff. You can't skip this, except GOG would start an anonymous purchase system, where the download (or: the only possibility for you to download your game EVER) starts right after the payment. And that's not what you want, believe me... You simply HAVE to verify that you've paid for something, before you can download it. What GOG is NOT doing: They're not asking you to verify that you paid your product, whenever you take a mouthful of your Coke... uhm, sorry, I meant whenever you start your game.
Posted January 19, 2014
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real.geizterfahr: ....
Yeah, and what's the fact that you have to prove that you have paid for the game by logging in? That's just GOG not trusting their customers! Surely, they could have just provided download links availible to everybody and put a system in place to collect money from people, why force them to create yet another accout on a website? DRM at its finest!

In all seriousness tho, it is GOG protecting their product. Calling it DRM seems far-fetched to me or you, but JohnnyDollar might be of a different opinion, and might not see the middle-step of downloading a client to be an issue if he then can reuse the game freely, especially if he's on a weak internet connection and has to download GOG downloader regardless.
Post edited January 19, 2014 by Fenixp
Posted January 19, 2014
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real.geizterfahr: ....
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Fenixp: Yeah, and what's the fact that you have to prove that you have paid for the game by logging in? That's just GOG not trusting their customers! Surely, they could have just provided download links availible to everybody and put a system in place to collect money from people, why force them to create yet another accout on a website? DRM at its finest!

In all seriousness tho, it is GOG protecting their product. Calling it DRM seems far-fetched to me or you, but JohnnyDollar might be of a different opinion, and might not see the middle-step of downloading a client to be an issue if he then can reuse the game freely, especially if he's on a weak internet connection and has to download GOG downloader regardless.
You dont need to download them you can burn the installs on a cd and you never have to worry of downloading it again
Posted January 19, 2014
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hercufles: You dont need to download them you can burn the installs on a cd and you never have to worry of downloading it again
... and before burning the installs you need to download them, last time I've checked. Many Steam games offer the same option, even if it's not advertized anywhere - you can grab the Steam's copy of the game, burn it and then you never have to worry about downloading it again.
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