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Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition is now available DRM-free, 25% off until October 18th 1pm UTC. Neverwinter Nights Diamond is now included in the Enhanced Edition as a free bonus goodie. Current owners of Diamond get an additional 25% off when purchasing the Enhanced Edition.

The D&N epic returns, now with subtle graphical improvements and a completely rebuilt multiplayer system, backwards compatible with all the mods, modules, and save games you were using in the original.

Get the Digital Deluxe Edition which includes several adventure modules, the game's Soundtrack and the Heroes of Neverwinter pack or grab each of them separately.
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Gilozard: The game still exists in the libraries of everyone who bought it, so it' should still be supported as its own game.
Ugh.. Am I speaking French? I understand what you guys are saying. I'm saying there's no obligation of Beamdog to support the classic edition in any fashion. They aren't required to, no matter what anyone wold like. That's all I have to say about that.
Man, good thing I already had the classic old version of the game. Same with NW2. Beamdog will always turn something good into shit. At least the Torment Remaster got the least flack or none of it due to Avelorne making sure they wouldn't screw it up.

Now all I need to do is find a way for GoG to permanently remove both Enhanced Editions of BG since I only bought them for the sake of the classic BGs.
Few am I happy I bought the diamond edition long time ago.
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Maciejka01: Man, good thing I already had the classic old version of the game. Same with NW2. Beamdog will always turn something good into shit. At least the Torment Remaster got the least flack or none of it due to Avelorne making sure they wouldn't screw it up.

Now all I need to do is find a way for GoG to permanently remove both Enhanced Editions of BG since I only bought them for the sake of the classic BGs.
Tell me more about the many hours you spent delving into the Enhanced Edition and its numerous positive and quantifiable improvements.
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Maciejka01: Man, good thing I already had the classic old version of the game. Same with NW2. Beamdog will always turn something good into shit. At least the Torment Remaster got the least flack or none of it due to Avelorne making sure they wouldn't screw it up.

Now all I need to do is find a way for GoG to permanently remove both Enhanced Editions of BG since I only bought them for the sake of the classic BGs.
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trueshot: Tell me more about the many hours you spent delving into the Enhanced Edition and its numerous positive and quantifiable improvements.
It has?
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trueshot: Tell me more about the many hours you spent delving into the Enhanced Edition and its numerous positive and quantifiable improvements.
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Maciejka01: It has?
It just seems to me like you are regurgitating the same trite and boring vitriol against Beamdog. Did you actually buy NWN: EE, and play it for longer than an hour? If so, did you research the changes as listed in patch notes and live streams? What does the expression "uninformed opinion" mean to you?

If you think the game is a total waste of cash, just say that instead...
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Maciejka01: It has?
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trueshot: It just seems to me like you are regurgitating the same trite and boring vitriol against Beamdog. Did you actually buy NWN: EE, and play it for longer than an hour? If so, did you research the changes as listed in patch notes and live streams? What does the expression "uninformed opinion" mean to you?

If you think the game is a total waste of cash, just say that instead...
I meant the EE's of both BG's.
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trueshot: It just seems to me like you are regurgitating the same trite and boring vitriol against Beamdog. Did you actually buy NWN: EE, and play it for longer than an hour? If so, did you research the changes as listed in patch notes and live streams? What does the expression "uninformed opinion" mean to you?

If you think the game is a total waste of cash, just say that instead...
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Maciejka01: I meant the EE's of both BG's.
As your post is read, you say it's a good thing that you still have the classic Diamond edition. I'm not convinced you know much about NWN at all. You then imply that Beamdog will destroy the game as time goes on. This is such a strange opinion but I didn't mean to single you out specifically; this bizarre and specious argument with respect to BD is all over the place.

On a factual basis, Beamdog's attempts at new content have been subpar. However, their maintenance and support for the legacy games in their portfolio has been superb. They're literally still patching bugs that were in the original editions of BG1/2. How is this a bad thing to you? I don't believe that they have any plans to introduce new content to NWN so they won't be making a SoD-type mistake again here.
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trueshot: ... I don't believe that they have any plans to introduce new content to NWN so they won't be making a SoD-type mistake again here.
Actually, creating their own campaign, just like Ossian did with Darkness over Daggerford, is something I would welcome - Beamdog already stated they don´t intend to extend the base game + 2 expansions story, but I wouldn´t be against if they would tread into new territory of their own story, I am sure people would not be against that :)
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trueshot: ... I don't believe that they have any plans to introduce new content to NWN so they won't be making a SoD-type mistake again here.
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Tarhiel: Actually, creating their own campaign, just like Ossian did with Darkness over Daggerford, is something I would welcome - Beamdog already stated they don´t intend to extend the base game + 2 expansions story, but I wouldn´t be against if they would tread into new territory of their own story, I am sure people would not be against that :)
I'm not 100% sure I'm following this development correctly but it seems like they're still partnering with that same Ossian on new assets for NWN. It would be cool to have some additional mini-campaigns; the NWN toolset is in fact very well adapted for them. I don't even know if SoD deserves to be called a mistake...I think that may be too harsh...but it seems like the dilemma is that their new content shadows the greatness of the old content, instead of surpassing it. I personally would say that Beamdog is not in their element when they are strictly designing and creating new content. It's a tricky situation to be in with NWN because I think a BD/Ossian team could "beat" SoU, but would struggle to surpass the official campaign (because of its scope) and HoU (because of its plot). But regardless, I agree with you. NWN's toolset is designed with small and self-sufficient story modules in mind.
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Gilozard: The game still exists in the libraries of everyone who bought it, so it' should still be supported as its own game.
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paladin181: Ugh.. Am I speaking French? I understand what you guys are saying. I'm saying there's no obligation of Beamdog to support the classic edition in any fashion. They aren't required to, no matter what anyone wold like. That's all I have to say about that.
GOG is still on the hook for supporting it, since they sold it as a supported product. You're right that Beamdog has no obligation, but you haven't realized that Beamdog is totally irrelevant. GOG was the one selling the classic edition, GOG is the one on the hook for support.
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paladin181: Ugh.. Am I speaking French? I understand what you guys are saying. I'm saying there's no obligation of Beamdog to support the classic edition in any fashion. They aren't required to, no matter what anyone wold like. That's all I have to say about that.
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Gilozard: GOG is still on the hook for supporting it, since they sold it as a supported product. You're right that Beamdog has no obligation, but you haven't realized that Beamdog is totally irrelevant. GOG was the one selling the classic edition, GOG is the one on the hook for support.
Hmm yea that could be- if by support you mean ensuring that the game will run on modern systems. I guess I didn't consider that falling under "support" but you certainly have a point. If you read their return policy though, it's really geared towards users who are unable to run the games GOG has provided due to system limitations or exceptions in the games. My understanding is that if you can't run the game because it crashes incessantly, while GOG will refund you as an individual user they are not obligated to implement code changes to rectify issues. They're also not obligated to port over fixes to the game engine from EE to Diamond (like changes to the whirlwind feat). Clearly GOG has done work to make sure most of their games are OK though, or they'd be bankrupt by now. Steam might be the same way. I certainly could be wrong though; I haven't dug into the fine print of Steam versus GOG.
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paladin181: Ugh.. Am I speaking French? I understand what you guys are saying. I'm saying there's no obligation of Beamdog to support the classic edition in any fashion. They aren't required to, no matter what anyone wold like. That's all I have to say about that.
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Gilozard: GOG is still on the hook for supporting it, since they sold it as a supported product. You're right that Beamdog has no obligation, but you haven't realized that Beamdog is totally irrelevant. GOG was the one selling the classic edition, GOG is the one on the hook for support.
Right. And they only have to support it so far as that it works on the advertised systems, which it already does for most people.
Eh as long as the old Diamond edition works on my system that is good enough for me.

I'd prefer Beamdog not touch the Diamon Edition at all, I want nothing to do with anything they have their hands in after they ruined such a great legacy.
My opinion of the Beamdog Haters: They are trying to keep 'outsiders' from their sandbox, for the sake of rose-tinted memories and a desire to feel superior over the 'normies'.

I rarely consider the arguments of this bunch anymore.