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Posted October 11, 2018
Lady Aribeth, you'll never walk alone.

Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition is now available DRM-free, 25% off until October 18th 1pm UTC. Neverwinter Nights Diamond is now included in the Enhanced Edition as a free bonus goodie. Current owners of Diamond get an additional 25% off when purchasing the Enhanced Edition.

The D&N epic returns, now with subtle graphical improvements and a completely rebuilt multiplayer system, backwards compatible with all the mods, modules, and save games you were using in the original.

Get the Digital Deluxe Edition which includes several adventure modules, the game's Soundtrack and the Heroes of Neverwinter pack or grab each of them separately.
Posted October 12, 2018
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Enebias: I always found Lady Aribeth a repulsive character. The worst of both worlds. You'll know what I mean when you play NWN.
The voice acting and dialog in NN is some of the worst I've ever encountered.
Posted October 12, 2018
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LiefLayer: The games run fine on modern machine...
Nope.
I too think it's a bit too expensive, but I'm glad I get to play it in my native resolution now. Before, the UI was too small (109 dpi).
Posted October 12, 2018
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The_Gypsy: I don't understand why anyone would pay $3 per premium module when they've been available for free for quite some time.

If Beamdog would've ported NWN to the NWN2 engine and fixed that up I would've been happy to spend $10 - $20 on this, too bad they didn't.
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Taro94: They were available for free just like any other game is available for free - illegally.
Even when the authentication server for these modules went down and using an external tool was the only way to play these modules, it wasn't strictly legal.

Beamdog actually removed the intrusive DRM system that was in place in these modules. They're playable and don't risk becoming unplayable ever again. Additionally, Beamdog is currently working on making these modules editable in the toolset, which, can pave the way for, for example, Infinite Dungeons modding.
It's incredibly ignorant to think that something is illegal if it isn't "strictly legal".
Posted October 12, 2018
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dudalb: And as far as I know the official modules were never offered for "free" by the company that owned the game. Yeah, they might have been available for free, but only through game piracy.
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Tallima: Bioware said you could download them for free (they provided links to the for quite some time) and that they were disabling the drm servers.
Source, please? I looked for such an offcial statement and wasn't able to find one. From what I know, they offered download links on their website as backup files for the rightful owners, and due to the DRM they were the only ones who could actually run them. Then the Bioware site was hacked for some reason. And shortly after it was discovered that the DRM authentification on these modules had stopped working and everyone could play them. Bioware never changed anything about it, and when community members uploaded the modules to the Vault, noone complained, but to my knowledge noone ever said anything official about it, they just kept silent, and did not legalize downloading the modules. (I guess they probably couldn't have at that point, even if they wanted to.) So AFAIK the mods were abandonware, not freeware, unless you can provide a link to back up your claim.
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Posted October 12, 2018
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Tallima: Bioware said you could download them for free (they provided links to the for quite some time) and that they were disabling the drm servers.
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Leroux: Source, please? I looked for such an offcial statement and wasn't able to find one. From what I know, they offered download links on their website as backup files for the rightful owners, and due to the DRM they were the only ones who could actually run them. Then the Bioware site was hacked for some reason. And shortly after it was discovered that the DRM authentification on these modules had stopped working and everyone could play them. Bioware never changed anything about it, and when community members uploaded the modules to the Vault, noone complained, but to my knowledge noone ever said anything official about it, they just kept silent, and did not legalize downloading the modules. (I guess they probably couldn't have at that point, even if they wanted to.) So AFAIK the mods were abandonware, not freeware, unless you can provide a link to back up your claim.
It doesn't make a lick of difference unless the rightsholders decide to take legal action.
Posted October 12, 2018
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richlind33: It doesn't make a lick of difference unless the rightsholders decide to take legal action.
In that case, isn't GOG the most evil company for trying to milk customers when you could find all these old games on abandonware sites for free before? :P
Posted October 12, 2018
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Enebias: I always found Lady Aribeth a repulsive character. The worst of both worlds. You'll know what I mean when you play NWN.
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richlind33: The voice acting and dialog in NN is some of the worst I've ever encountered.
Yup. Awful writing and bad acting. But Aribeth was something else, the personification of inconsistency. It's like three different people wrote three different pieces of her arc, and it shows.
Posted October 12, 2018
funnily enough going by the steam forums the most requested feature for EE is achievements.....

The Deluxe edition should have been the standard with new modules offered as dlc....
Posted October 12, 2018
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richlind33: It doesn't make a lick of difference unless the rightsholders decide to take legal action.
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Leroux: In that case, isn't GOG the most evil company for trying to milk customers when you could find all these old games on abandonware sites for free before? :P
Ethics and legality are two different matters, and the former doesn't come into play re stagnant IP's.
Posted October 12, 2018
so after having molested Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment, Beamdog have found themselves another victim.

And again they made the original version unavailable for purchase sepparately and the only way to get is to pay the ridiculous price for "new and enhanced" nonsense (and get the original as extra)


I wonder what game they will try to get their filthy hands on next ...
Posted October 12, 2018
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richlind33: Ethics and legality are two different matters, and the former doesn't come into play re stagnant IP's.
So what is your point, regarding my initial post? I didn't really want to make one in this discussion, btw (like pro or contra EE), I just meant to counter the spreading of what seems to be common misinformation regarding these three premium modules. "They officially allowed it" is not the same as "they didn't officially forbid it", even if there's no difference in the outcome.
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Posted October 12, 2018
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gozer: so after having molested Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment, Beamdog have found themselves another victim.

And again they made the original version unavailable for purchase sepparately and the only way to get is to pay the ridiculous price for "new and enhanced" nonsense (and get the original as extra)

I wonder what game they will try to get their filthy hands on next ...
I was pretty shocked to see that Baldur's Gate EE is still not completed , its still getting patched to become EE which came out in 2013.

I wonder if beamdog will go the telltale route they seem to be following the same linear path of taking on established ip's , EE them forever , none of the EE can be called complete at this stage still lack the polish and optimization. I haven't seen a single original beamdog contribution , given how siege of dragonspear ended they probably wont attempt any expansions themselves.
Posted October 12, 2018
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gozer: so after having molested Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment, Beamdog have found themselves another victim.

And again they made the original version unavailable for purchase sepparately and the only way to get is to pay the ridiculous price for "new and enhanced" nonsense (and get the original as extra)

I wonder what game they will try to get their filthy hands on next ...
It has to be something a company hasn't already ruined by franchise milking but is fondly remembered and still holds up today....

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....so... KOTOR?
Posted October 12, 2018
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Leroux: Source, please? I looked for such an offcial statement and wasn't able to find one. From what I know, they offered download links on their website as backup files for the rightful owners, and due to the DRM they were the only ones who could actually run them. Then the Bioware site was hacked for some reason. And shortly after it was discovered that the DRM authentification on these modules had stopped working and everyone could play them. Bioware never changed anything about it, and when community members uploaded the modules to the Vault, noone complained, but to my knowledge noone ever said anything official about it, they just kept silent, and did not legalize downloading the modules. (I guess they probably couldn't have at that point, even if they wanted to.) So AFAIK the mods were abandonware, not freeware, unless you can provide a link to back up your claim.
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richlind33: It doesn't make a lick of difference unless the rightsholders decide to take legal action.
That would be trademark law there. Copyright laws are in effect even if the owner doesn't take legal action. I still think games shouldn't be part of copyright law as it is. Not there law's the law.

That said, sometimes I run a red light light in the middle of the night when nobody is around.

BTW, all my info is second hand. I probably had something backwards. If I see otherwise, I'll post it. It's likely only be in the way back machine if it existed anywhere. I do remember downloading them though, of the board page. Perhaps I didn't read it carefully.
Posted October 12, 2018
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richlind33: Ethics and legality are two different matters, and the former doesn't come into play re stagnant IP's.
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Leroux: So what is your point, regarding my initial post? I didn't really want to make one in this discussion, btw (like pro or contra EE), I just meant to counter the spreading of what seems to be common misinformation regarding these three premium modules. "They allowed it" is not the same as "they ignored it", even if there's no difference in the outcome.
They are identical insofar as fair use is concerned; reselling (piracy), on the other hand, is a different matter.
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