You know what? I'm not even going to bother to read that shit.

An actual "TL;DR" would be:

If you're going to "win this", it's because you define outrage as the sole victory condition.

The demand you have will not be met, and it's precisely because of the strategy you employ.

The Duke Nukem Forever Trailer is still one of my favourite Trailers ever made. It looked interesting, so i hope it's purchasable some day. But this is not how corporations work sadly.

why the fuck are you here then?

your OP was longer than his post.

Yeah, but asides from "historical" values - I'm far from saying that "actual" DNF (from 2011) is bad game (played in it a bit, I had really mixed impression), but on the other hand - if we were close to receive good FPS with Duke Nukem ten years(?) earlier, I can understand that it can be for some people better option. In other words - what option would be better - good game with Duke Nukem or mediocre Duke Nukem game (attention dear readers - I've made distinction between Duke Nukem (styled) game and game with Duke Nukem, which not necesseraly feel like "actual" Duke Nukem "styled" game - I"m mentionning about it because I assume that if someone is not using english as native language, this can be a bit odd for him without this explanation).

Besides - I wouldn't tell that Duke Nukem 3D was entirely such "funny" etc. Aliens were slaughtering humans in this game massively (even if it wasn't directly shown in game), and there were plenty of elements which were actually quite close to first Doom games (dark corridors, not very "goofy" monster design" etc.

So, maybe it's only me, but I can imagine that Duke Nukem game could be in more "dark" manner. Then again - quoted guy described his own impressions, so there is still a chance that it would look a bit different in our eyes.

I know, there is a lot of speculation, but at this point we don't have possibility to go "beyond" them.

well, I do not consider some random persons post in a forum as evidence of anything, sorry, you need something more compelling than that. You did not even link to the forum in question...

If this was such a big thing, and got traction, I would assume the larger news sites had picked up on it by now and at least mention something about it. As they have not, I assume it is because they are struggling to verify any information, apart from that there was such as build and it was a darker RPG game, which is all i can see reported anywhere... Any references to why it is not happening, is due to licensing.

Sorry, i don't trust random blogs or forum posts as evidence, this is basic trustworthy information 101.

Any random post that says something you want to belive is automaticaly trustworthy. That's people on the internet 101 for you.

can you provide a link to this quote, please?

Second page of the rpgcodex thread, it's from TonyTiger, the same guy who posted the initial fantasy and registered a week ago. I could step in there with a 12 year old account but... he's got the goods, i.e. the nonsense everybody wants to believe in (besides, there's an unbanned horrifying homophobia propagandist loose in that thread).

It's absurd to quote TonyTiger as an authority on anything at all, but here we are, with 809 words of his fantasy in the OP of this thread already.

Just for fun, here's the explicitly goal defining part of his posts: Conjecture and conspiracy theory used with the sole intent to incite targeted harassment.

Bannable offense in any and all forums I ever moderated in.

Thanks I found it.

No evidence provided, no other context provided. So we have to take this on the word of an anonymous person who made this account a couple of days ago...

I wonder if I made an account there now and posted something like:

"I spoke to Randy on Facebook yesterday, and he said no, he actually wanted to bring DNF 2001 out for free, but Steve did not let him as he said they could loose the license and the copyright. Steve told Randy they could not do it for legal reasons, but Randy is looking into fixing it as we speak!"

Do you think I would be quoted here tomorrow?

actually. no, I am asking for evidence for the claims, you should appropriate this as it is something you yourself asks for in other threads.

What is funny here 9and I have read through that thread now) is that even though the twitter posts (and its context) and other links this TonyTiger has provided are correct, there is still no evidence in them that says Pitchford is withholding or stopping the release of the builds.

A couple of years ago there was a big bruwahaha about ethics in game journalism and gaming in general, do you not think the same standards should still apply?

That's basically it. Every single word from Schreiber was meticulously catalogued, of course, but this perspective is just about the only "evidence" provided. The only source for those 80% is Schreiber, who e.g. also seems to be of the opinion he released Bombshell at 100%. Pitchford's argument, e.g. in the googlechat, is acknowledged more than it is described by the rpgcodex user, and not a jot of that description seems to even count anymore when it comes to inciting harassment later on. What if Take 2 actually does retain certain distribution rights, which is logical? What if the situation is in fact way more complicated than legal laymen like Schreiber can assume, which it always is? What if Pitchford actually did, as he said, make an effort to get the legal situation sorted and those files released in some form? Participating in the harassment the user asks of his readers will put a swift end to those plans for sure. Besides, chances are the data are an overhyped pile of shit and guess who gamers will blame once they've paid for that. It's a lose-lose situation for Pitchford. And that's why these files remain buried and gone. What could have happened if Pitchford wasn't consistently painted as a seven foot spectre of evil who is being run over by the justice for gamers league's DeSoto, who the fuck even knows.

No, you'd be branded a detractor and misinformant as you don't feed into the revenge fantasy. :|

Funny what you call "no evidence" when there are quotes describing exactly the reasons Randy has given. On top of the the say of those posting in those threads. Clearly constitutes evidence of some sort. I'd say the talk of "certification fees" and how Randy only wants to release them as part of a new collection is telling.

Piece together what we can induce from what we are told and there is quite a bit there.

As I just said, if it's money, I don't begrudge a developer from making a profit given the supposed extent of this material. I also know that IP, trademark and copyright protection requirements are complicated. There certainly would be lawyer costs involved even releasing it "for free" in order to make certain the right's holders are still properly defending their trademarks with such a free release.

But this all boils down to Randy having some role as a speed bump to the process making that part of it substantially true.

Those feeble attacks of the poster's credibility based on when he joined that forum is the part I found "fabricated" by the 3 of you. That poster clearly seems knowledgeable about the issue, and even a cursory read shows that. I have no doubt the the parties involved believe what they do. Your demands for "absolute proof" seem to be ignoring quite a bit of testimony which at least implies a fair bit of truth to the story.

As to the public asking Randy for the material to be released, I don't see a problem with it. It would show demand and provide incentive for it's future release. Those equating it with harassment are stretching the truth quite a bit...

Honestly, I'd be all up for replacing Duke with Bombshell and releasing the game as Ion Maiden Alternative or Ion Maiden Gaiden. Hell, I'd even pay money for it.

And it's not like it would be the fist time they'd be doing that. :P