Sorry for the sort of messy notes here, I’m just trying to organize my thoughts. I don’t know what I’ve been expecting to happen here all game, but that certainly was not it.

Some housekeeping notes: First, as rough as this might sound, I don’t feel bad at all for Leonard’s death. He didn’t contribute much of anything to the game, barely fought to stay alive, and if we had to lose a Town player, his was the role to lose as it has just as much chance to hurt as to help. Given the info we all had, his lynch was inevitable and I don’t see anything that would have changed my mind.

Cristigale, however, I had scored as pretty solid Town. Maybe too much so, I don’t even know, but I was barely looking cross-eyed at her the whole game. I felt like her back-and-forth with Sage just sounded like two Townies arguing over very little and sort of tuned most of it out. I actually had a note to myself to try and engage both more Today.

People, we just HAVE to get the lay of the land here. This is obviously some sick-ass game structure where most everything is upside down. I think our top priority has to be figuring out this arsonist problem, because this is ridiculous.

Here is The Arsonist. This is a serial killer. There is no other way around this. Based on the behavior we’ve seen in our small sample – two nights, two arson kills (anyone doubt that at this point?). One Scum, one Town. That’s a serial killer killing every night, and probably without information about the alignment of the victim.

Obviously the big hoot for Vitek is whatever the crap JMich was. There is no doubt JMich was building a case from the very beginning to try and defend the Arsonist. (Go back and look at #756, 828, and especially 842. I was fairly convinced he was the Arsonist and I didn’t want to touch it with a ten-foot pole, because I thought he would toast me if I did!) Whatever JMich was – whatever that ridiculous role was – served to support the Arsonist somehow. The fact that JMich flipped Town just makes no sense. What would Town POSSIBLY benefit from a role that assists and protects a serial killer? This makes no damn sense. None. I could completely believe two scum teams – one traditional and one with a serial killer/assistant, but Town in one of those roles? It makes no sense. There is a serial killer here, and we’ve got to stop it. GOT TO. It has to be top priority, because otherwise there are two nightkills a night from here on out and this is going to be a short and stupid game. Is it possible JMich flipped Town, but actually wasn’t? I have no idea… but I’m about two inches from absolutely DEMANDING a mass role claim so we can sort this out. Anybody want to tell me why we shouldn’t?

OK, I have to take off for a little while, so last thought for a while as I know my organization is not up to my usual standards, and I went from stoked to crushed in about two minutes.

Out of a sense of decorum and sportsmanship, I am going to try hard to wait for everyone to chime in and contribute, but if I don't hear much about the subject in the next 24 hours, I'm just going to role claim and f*** it if you all think it makes me look bad.

Am I the only one who thinks it feels warm in here? Perhaps it's just me. ;-)
Bah!

I have already claimed so I am going to remove myself from voting on it right now. However I do feel we need something to work with and claiming might not be a bad thing right now.

Is it possible that the arsonist is town but handicapped in some way similar to Krypsyn and his bad eyes. Maybe Town Guard of Arsonist was someone who tried to help point the arsonist in the right direction.

Never said I was upset, just that somehow it was prevented. To me that means either Cristi protected the person who would have been the random target or the random target had some sort of self protection.

I never got the impression that JMich was the arsonist, just that he knew there was one. Hard to tell from just a name, but it seems JMich was suppose to guard the arsonist?

As for mass claiming I'm not sure if that will help or cause more confusion, but I can tell you I am just vanilla now.

You are just tying to escape that overwhelming crushing guilt. I will be eating Timbits in the dead thread and laughing at all your silly arguments and logic… uh, um, I meaning cheering town on for the win.

It happened again! Death by fire and more bullet holes.

We certainly do.

I would agree. This makes NO sense. I have been reduced to suspicious of almost everyone.
Definitely the serial killer is a top priority.

I think that a role claim would be useful.

Note: in my above post "your" is plural ;)

Sigh. Wasn't expecting game back on til tomorrow. So we're at, what, 8 left? 3 scum odds are slim. 4 scum...yikes.

agentcarr / bler /csp
rw /sage / flub
trent /yog

Maybe. I think there could be a bright spot or two here, however. JMich's role does however imply arsonist is town and not independent, right? So perhaps we have some luck and there might only be 2 scum.

And while it's possible trent was role-blocked, it's also possible he targeted the person Jmich was guarding. Which is potentially one thing that could be learned from a role claim as yog suggested.

FWIW, I disagree with RW that Sage's play to bring Kryp back was a mistake. Since whoever is brought back only lives til nightfall the only better play would have been holding off for a scenario where sage was still alive and an investigative role could be brought back to share what was learned. Which wasn't guaranteed.

Going through vote patterns:
People who voted for both lynches: Yog (first vote both times), trent (1x hammer), sage, rw (1xhammer), flub.
People who voted wyrm but not leon: CSP
People who voted leon but not wyrm: bler, agentcarr
People who voted neither: all dead

Yog's gut is clearly tuned to a high degree of accuracy. ;) That said, I still think he's town.

I think there are at least 3 anti town left, possibly 4 (I sure hope not 4 though). Dedo was scum and there are at least 2 more, and I think there is at least one neutral. I base it on there being 3 scum to start and one or two neutrals. So today it is imperative we lynch an anti town faction as I don't know if town can survive another night of losing a possible two. If that happens it's probably game over for town.

Ok, I've been thinking about Yog and Sage's posts for the past half hour. I think I have it sussed out how arsonist could be town.

The piece that's confusing to me in that scenario, though, is why target Cristi? I can come up with a theory, but it involves two conditions - the first (on being town) would make perfect sense but the second less so.

JMich likewise presumably would have had to know who he was guarding, right? I find it hard to fathom how his role could have worked if he didn't know something about who he was guarding.

So, I was thinking about Forum Mafia over dinner.

One of the first things I thought was "I probably shouldn't be thinking about Forum Mafia during dinner". But once I cleared that mental hurdle, I calmed down a bit from earlier. I'm easing off the role claim demand for now...

But guess what? While munching on my chips and salsa, I had an idea. A crazy, loony, hilarious idea. One that is so perfect, and will work so completely to get out of this emergency... it's just crazy enough to work. And then I had the thought that maybe the world isn't quite ready for another awesome yogsloth plan just yet. :)

What I want to do is give everyone a chance to check in, reveal anything they feel the need to, weigh in on whatever, and then if nothing new develops I'll share my idea, and the group can judge its validity. We'll see.

Some random notes and questions first:

I’m pretty sure JMich’s role was here. Bodyguard for the arsonist. Some mod really, really wants that arsonist to succeed.

Not sure I understand this. Why would your role reveal cause Scum to NK you? Why is your talent invaluable to Town that would compel Scum to have to kill you with so many other potential power roles still on the table?

And speaking of which – whom did you bring back today?

Please explain both your rationale for firing off the random kill and the exact list of eligible candidates. Then explain why you didn’t explain either one when first revealing your action.

Yeah yeah. I still have my eye on you, Mr. “My role is important but maybe not”.


I am reeeeeealy looking forward to what flub, RW, and CSPVG have to contribute.

RW doesn't want me talking about my role. =/ and someone must have pissed in Yogs cheerios =(

To be fair, assuming we are talking about the role you claimed already, revealing how you've used it, can't hurt. I just don't want any other people with no useful information making a claim. All this does is narrow down the choices for scum tonight. If anyone else claims, they better have something quite helpful to our endeavor to go along with that claim.