@ yogsloth

I agree. We (I use that in a general sort of way) don't want to commit to lynching anyone because we're waiting for a bigger slip.

So then you'll be voting soon??

*chortle*

bler: I'm sorry to hear about all of the personal problems you're going through, but I do hope that, even if you choose to step away from this game, you come back and participate in more games with us.

yogsloth: Ouch, I hope your injury heals soon. Any sort of joint-related injury sets me to thinking about the three separate times my knees dislocated (that's cumulatively, not each). Thank heavens for morphine, is all I have to say, really (as a side note, I think I've related all this before, but I thought I'd do so again because, well, I can).

As for the game, here's where I'm at, honestly: I'm not moving my vote from Leonard. Nothing he has said or done has inspired me to do anything but vote for him. The posts he has made since my initial vote have added nothing to the game, and I am even beginning to suspect that he's withholding something (this latter accusation is, of course, baseless, but there's something about the style of his posts that rankles me).

As for any other possible trains, I've read over people's lengthy arguments, and find most of them unconvincing. A lot of the stuff that JMich got into earlier reminds me of his GOG trademarked fights with Vitek. By which I mean, I feel like I'm standing watching two townies tear into each other while the Mafia goes by unnoticed.

*facepalm* I walked right into that one.
Yes... I'll be voting soon. Hopefully by tonight, IRL.

1) I meant that there's a perception that keeping pressure on might tell us something, and is thus perceived as pro-town. Much the way that you're keeping pressure on me right now. Is it pro-town? Time will tell. Maybe town (as a collective entity in its own right) is learning something useful and maybe it's just smoke that draws attention from and provides cover to other players who get to linger outside the spotlight.

Maybe the information is not in how I answer, but in who asks and what they ask. The extent that you think I'm making a slip is mostly my ambivalence about that whole scenario. And yet here I am responding to your serious questions rather than engaging in the dozen or so funny posts that came in while I was sleeping.

Flub's burn was pretty hilarious.

I'm not, however, separating myself from town there in having a shared goal of eliminating scum and any other anti-town factions, just on the issue of any particular benefits to town deriving from that moment in time.

To the extent that I erred in that moment, I think it's mostly that I didn't at least make a stab at Sage in that as well, since she was at the same vote count as JMich I believe. So if you wanted to make a case that that particular play was scummy, I don't think it's in what I did, or even how I describe it, but that I left Sage out for reasons I don't really recall. I suspect mostly I just didn't think she'd bite and I couldn't come up with a good question beyond "So, uh...tell us something?"

So if your theory is that Sage is scum, then sure, it could follow that we're both scum. Otherwise I think you're chasing shadows here.

2) Lamist, yes, but aside from being true it's the only way to easily explain the mental exercise I was putting myself in.

I suppose if you wanted to WIFOM the hell out of it you could speculate that I was scum, imagining I was town, imagining what I would do if I were scum. Or maybe scum imagining town imagining scum imagining town imagining scum. I bet it was that. But why bother? If I were scum I would have some actual information. Why waste time crafting elaborate theories that were more likely to make me look suspicious rather than just keeping my head down?

But being town I had not much to work with but for my imagination and a thin slice of data. Keeping my head down and just waiting for manna to fall from heaven didn't seem likely to help town any best I can see. So I started playing with alternate theories and approaches.

3) That's not a typo. It was intended to highlight that I thought pretty clearly he was the standout target from a scum position, based on the 3 criteria JMich had laid out. It's certainly possible I'm misunderstanding what JMich meant, but in trying to apply his wisdom with the data I had, that's where I would have landed.

4) I would disagree, though sure, even the perfect gambit can be undercut by unforeseen variables or acts of God. But the flaws in saying this one in particular was the perfect gambit are more apparent in hindsight. At the time it seemed like serendipity because the very thing I was looking for appeared right in front of me, bright as day.

It was like seeing the face of Jesus burned onto a piece of toast - a miracle!

Oh Leonard you are really hurting my feelings.....

Unvote: bler144


Vote: Leonard03

I think it may be time to claim, Leonard.

Not even gonna post a reason?

Well ok. I'm Town Nexus... Which means night actions directed at me are randomly directed to someone else (except for kills of course). Not a very good role for town, in fact if you look it up on the mafiascum.net it is a penalty to give town this role.

You guys are gonna make a mistake if you lynch me. Alright, maybe I haven't posted anything big yet, but lynching lurkers is not the way to win this game.

That's a good one. Impossible to test or refute. Gonna save that one for the future someday. You should give adalia lessons. :)

Well hey, trust me, I would rather I wasn't a Town Nexus too.

Indeed. My first thought was "oh, well if we had a role cop they could...oh, wait..."
Help me think this through, but my first instinct is that it's not threatening for scum either, so easy to explain why there's no NK come morning, right?

Why? It's pretty random, but I don't really see how it's bad for you particularly. It's not even like you can control it. If I had that role I'd just go nuts and play. If I get myself lynched or NKed, NBD.

Heck, in my claim I'd probably even imply I had an investigative role, hope to survive the lynch for one day, and make myself a big juicy NK target. Take one for the team! Bit late for that in your case, however.

It's not like trainee doctor or something where the town really could benefit by you not making a big show and making yourself the runaway day 1 lynch target. (cough *wyrm* cough) ;)

Side note - probably away for the next 4-5 hours even though things are happening. Report writing, not lurking.

Alright! Thanks for answering, 'cause now we can hash this thing out.

I see your point, but the way that you worded it was... unfortunate. For that matter, I could probably pick several more holes in how you defended, but I'm not going to :)

Flub's burn was pretty hilarious.

Actually, I find it really difficult not to have LAMIST statements all over the place. It's part of the reason that I often come across as ambivalent and vague.

By the way, I was at least imagining you on the eighth level of WIFOM. Town imagining scum imagining town imagining scum imagining town imagining scum imagining town imagining scum. ;P

I thought it was probably there for emphasis.

Really, I was just picking holes in your wording again. I find that all too easy, and it's not really useful, I know.

Back to Sage103082

Pretty much useless, and some of her points don't really make sense.

This seems to be a response to CSPVG, though she doesn't explicitly state this. It's her reasons that I find interesting.

1. I'm not sure why you assume that you're seen as a weak player. I don't think that has ever been articulated.
2. Not everyone should have the same Skill Sets, or we wouldn't have much of a game.
3. I'm sorry, but I have to point out that this sentence isn't grammatically correct. But HEY! It doesn't matter.

So, I don't agree with her first three points, which are the reasons to get rid of her.
But I don't agree with her fourth point, the reason to keep her on.

She hasn't been here much, she mostly been asking questions of other players, and giving very little analysis, at least up to this point when she posted this.

She pretty much has the same reasons as all the other players for lynching Bookwyrm. I can't really blame her too much for this, because she's just jumping on the bandwagon, but I find it interesting that she does say that Bookwyrm is a smart player, so she thinks there's more than meets the eye. What does she think Bookwyrm is hiding? Apparently she thinks he's hiding scum, but that doesn't really make sense, because Bookwyrm is too smart to hide scumminess by being scummy.

I'll come back later.

Well, that's rather specific. I'm not really willing to call your bluff. Therefore, Unvote: Leonard03.

Yes, I know that I've just said that I'm not willing to move my vote, but he did claim and did so in a way that makes it very hard to question him.

I do hope that you contribute more, though.

So, I'm going to have to go and reread some of the day, I guess.

Krypsyn: Would you be willing to share more of your flavour, as (I think it was) Sage suggested earlier?