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Posted February 27, 2014
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shaddim: If you followed for instance the systemd debate on the debian mailing-list
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jtsn: Systemd is quite irrelevant to Linux gaming, because Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is the de-facto standard platform set by Steam for years to come. It uses upstart. SteamOS currently runs on sysvinit.
Only if one argues that Valve defines now the linux desktop platform.... which would be a shameful pity.
Post edited February 27, 2014 by shaddim
Posted February 27, 2014
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ssokolow: Also, "@ssokolow" doesn't trigger GOG's reply notifications. You need to use the [ quote_#### ]
tags for that.
Quote tags don't trigger notifications either. You need to click the "reply" button. That is what sends the notification tag, no matter how many people you quote (or don't).
Posted February 27, 2014
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shaddim: Only if one argues that Valve defines now the linux desktop platform....
The Linux desktop is dead by now. There was never something like a "platform" standard anyway.

Valve defines the de facto Linux gaming platform, mainly used inside the Steam Machines. Publishers will develop for them. Sysvinit, upstart, systemd - nobody cares.
Posted February 27, 2014
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ssokolow: Also, "@ssokolow" doesn't trigger GOG's reply notifications. You need to use the [ quote_#### ]
tags for that.
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JMich: Quote tags don't trigger notifications either. You need to click the "reply" button. That is what sends the notification tag, no matter how many people you quote (or don't).
Really? I seem to remember everyone getting notifications from posts where multiple posts were quoted.
Posted February 27, 2014
It is possible, if you have 2 consecutive posts in less than 10 minutes, in which case the posts combine.

Like this. You should also have a notification, though no quote.
Post edited February 27, 2014 by JMich
Posted February 27, 2014
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JMich: It is possible, if you have 2 consecutive posts in less than 10 minutes, in which case the posts combine.

Like this. You should also have a notification, though no quote.
Ahh. Thanks for explaining that.
Posted February 27, 2014
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shaddim: Only if one argues that Valve defines now the linux desktop platform....
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jtsn: The Linux desktop is dead by now. There was never something like a "platform" standard anyway.

Valve defines the de facto Linux gaming platform, mainly used inside the Steam Machines. Publishers will develop for them. Sysvinit, upstart, systemd - nobody cares.
I hope not... I hope the steam Binary abstraction layer will we be adopted and taken over by the community to form a open and free platform. If every ISV software producer (game and non-game) would start to address specifically Steam and his APIs, this would be a horrible future for linux as desktop/gaming platform. We would be in hand of a single company again with a even more closed & DRM-ridden platform than with windows before.... :(
Posted February 27, 2014
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shaddim: If you followed for instance the systemd debate on the debian mailing-list
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jtsn: Systemd is quite irrelevant to Linux gaming, because Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is the de-facto standard platform set by Steam for years to come. It uses upstart. SteamOS currently runs on sysvinit.
That's not true, there is no "standard for years to come". Valve themselves disprove it, they use Debian for SteamOS, not Ubuntu. So forget about upstart. Even Ubuntu itself switches away from it to use systemd.

And, Steam is not a standard by any means and should not be.
Post edited February 27, 2014 by shmerl
Posted February 27, 2014
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shmerl: That's not true, there is no "standard for years to come".
Valve's Steam Runtime is based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and they explicitly state that developers should build on and for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, so they run flawless on Steam.
Valve themselves disprove it, they use Debian for SteamOS, not Ubuntu.
While SteamOS is customized/forked Debian, the games still run on the Steam Runtime, which is a stripped Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. They know what they're doing and how important binary compatibilty is.
Steam is not a standard by any means and should not be.
The Steam Runtime is the future de-facto standard for Linux gaming, if you like it or not.
Posted February 27, 2014
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shaddim: If you followed for instance the systemd debate on the debian mailing-list
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jtsn: Systemd is quite irrelevant to Linux gaming, because Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is the de-facto standard platform set by Steam for years to come. It uses upstart. SteamOS currently runs on sysvinit.
It appears you are not up to date.
Posted February 27, 2014
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jtsn: While SteamOS is customized/forked Debian, the games still run on the Steam Runtime, which is a stripped Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. They know what they're doing and how important binary compatibilty is.
Steam is not a standard, don't make things up. Steam runtime is just a bundled set of libraries, you can do exactly the same thing without any Steam runtime and you'll be just as well set. It's up to developers to decide what libraries they need and how to use them.

Anyway, your point was about upstart, not about Steam runtime. So to repeat the main point - Ubuntu itself is switching away from it. And SteamOS won't be even using it to begin with.

And, by the way there is no point for Valve to base Steam runtime on Ubuntu versions of pacakges in the future, if they rebase their own effort on Debian. Expect Steam runtime to be based on Debian as well. It would be stupid for them not to unify their efforts.
Post edited February 27, 2014 by shmerl
Posted February 28, 2014
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jtsn: While SteamOS is customized/forked Debian, the games still run on the Steam Runtime, which is a stripped Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. They know what they're doing and how important binary compatibilty is.
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shmerl: Steam is not a standard, don't make things up. Steam runtime is just a bundled set of libraries, you can do exactly the same thing without any Steam runtime and you'll be just as well set. It's up to developers to decide what libraries they need and how to use them.
Lutris seems to be such an approach, inspired by steam but a free linux platform.
http://lutris.net/about/

They seems to support gog games via wine... gog.com could potentially cooperate with them.
Posted February 28, 2014
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shaddim: Lutris seems to be such an approach, inspired by steam but a free linux platform.
http://lutris.net/about/

They seems to support gog games via wine... gog.com could potentially cooperate with them.
Interesting project. But I suspect GOG will do things on their own, as they usually do.
Post edited February 28, 2014 by shmerl
Posted March 01, 2014
An article from January that I came across that's still relevant and some may find interesting:
Steam Machines are about protecting the PC, not beating consoles.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-11-valve-plays-the-long-game-again
Post edited March 01, 2014 by JohnnyDollar
Posted March 05, 2014
Gabe Newell Answers Questions. I agree with the first comment on that article by the way, shmerl.
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