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General discussionHave you bought your Ubisoft game from a shady cd key reseller ?(105 posts)(105 posts)
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Posted January 26, 2015
We all knew that Ubisoft has bad game programers, but did you know that they also have bad web designers? In the forum links posted in the first post, the website is loading a 7 MB background image with 5133x2807 resolution.
Posted January 27, 2015
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Pheace: You won't get an answer since it's unknowable for Ubisoft. They can't trace every single key, where it went, who sold it on which marketplace and when. They *can* however see which of their keys were purchased fraudulently and revoke those keys.
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apehater: fairy tale
Not that this no doubt isn't a surprise to many people here but with statements like this it just reinforces the fact that you're not looking for an actual discussion and are just ignorantly dismissing anything you don't want to hear.

If I order a game from Amazon and I get the key, then sell that key on Ebay, then revoke my payment to Amazon, Amazon doesn't have a clue what happened to that key, whether I used it, sold it, gave it away and someone else then sold it or whatever. The only thing they know and can confirm, is that that game ultimately wasn't paid for.

That some publishers then have the actual means to revoke those games, that's another matter, although they are perfectly in their right to do it in cases like the above in my opinion, and I highly doubt any of the above 'legal' discussions on matters like 'exhaustion doctrine' cover secondhand sales for goods that were taken without being paid for (ie stolen)

Ow, that wasn't something I expect a discussion from you on btw, but perhaps another ignorant dismissal or ad hominem, surprise me.
Post edited January 27, 2015 by Pheace
Posted January 27, 2015
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apehater: i played the discussed way through and come again to the same conclusion. if 1000 or more keys revoked over weekend than its greedyness no scam. since you don't know if the cc info you're about to use for your current scam will chargeback today or in a month.
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JMich: And again, that is why you don't keep the keys for more than 48 hours. Now, I'm not sure about it, but credit cards do tend to have a specific date when statements are sent, and from what I recall, it's usually end of the month. So I still find it possible that it was due to CC statements that triggered the chargebacks and the revokes. Unless it's a case similar to SE3, aka stolen retail codes.
i was keeping 24 hours for keys in mind, stays as i stated before, i don't think that its a scam if 1000 keys or more been revoked. but i didn't find a number so far, will probably take some time till they reveal it. you've 24 hours or less after trade to secure the money (for one game). than you have to change everything including a new bank account. i think the relation between money and time spend and profit isn't worth it (if its about 1000 or more).

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apehater: to the rebellion thing, so there was a proof that the revoked keys were illegit?
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JMich: This quote from Rebellion, in this thread

To clarify, one of our PC retail distributors informed us that some of their allotted Steam keys were stolen. We believe these keys were then resold to multiple companies, with no payments going to either Valve or the retail distributor.
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JMich: So it seems that for Sniper Elite 3, physical boxes may have been stolen, not chargebacks from credit cards. Closest I can find to source of those keys is this reddit post. You will need to find a Hungarian to see if they can find more info on it though.
the article i already linked hold up pretty well against it.
Posted January 27, 2015
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JMich: This quote from Rebellion, in this thread

So it seems that for Sniper Elite 3, physical boxes may have been stolen, not chargebacks from credit cards. Closest I can find to source of those keys is this reddit post. You will need to find a Hungarian to see if they can find more info on it though.
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apehater: the article i already linked hold up pretty well against it.
With the exception of the GMG reports in your article, it doesn't. 7050 physical boxes had their keys read, and then distributed, whether with the boxes or without. So you buy a physical box, but the key is already used. I buy another box, sell the key to an online store, and yet another person buys said key. The keys were not leaked from the digital keys, but taken from physical boxes. And if you did read the reddit post, you'd seen that people who bought the game from PlayOn found the boxes opened.
Posted January 27, 2015
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apehater: fairy tale
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Pheace: Not that this no doubt isn't a surprise to many people here but with statements like this it just reinforces the fact that you're not looking for an actual discussion and are just ignorantly dismissing anything you don't want to hear.

If I order a game from Amazon and I get the key, then sell that key on Ebay, then revoke my payment to Amazon, Amazon doesn't have a clue what happened to that key, whether I used it, sold it, gave it away and someone else then sold it or whatever. The only thing they know and can confirm, is that that game ultimately wasn't paid for.

That some publishers then have the actual means to revoke those games, that's another matter, although they are perfectly in their right to do it in cases like the above in my opinion, and I highly doubt any of the above 'legal' discussions on matters like 'exhaustion doctrine' cover secondhand sales for goods that were taken without being paid for (ie stolen)

Ow, that wasn't something I expect a discussion from you on btw, but perhaps another ignorant dismissal or ad hominem, surprise me.
if this short reply was insulting you then this was not the intention. but one could also say your accusation that i'm ignorant, implies that you haven't read my or all posts involving this discussion.

i wanted to say with that fairy tail reply, that i don't believe the explanation with which you replied, its inconsistent to me. i assume that you got this explanation from a publisher and don't forget they can lie too. your amazon example wouldn't work. before you accuse again ignorence, think first why your example wouldn't work.
Posted January 27, 2015
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apehater: the article i already linked hold up pretty well against it.
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JMich: With the exception of the GMG reports in your article, it doesn't. 7050 physical boxes had their keys read, and then distributed, whether with the boxes or without. So you buy a physical box, but the key is already used. I buy another box, sell the key to an online store, and yet another person buys said key. The keys were not leaked from the digital keys, but taken from physical boxes. And if you did read the reddit post, you'd seen that people who bought the game from PlayOn found the boxes opened.
i didn't read all comments from the steam link, but i did read the comments from reddit link. read them again and as before my link hold pretty well against it. i don't wanna continue the discussion about rebellion, since this somehow evolved far a part of my first post and the content in it on this thread.
Posted January 27, 2015
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i hope my point about the "scammed" uplay keys is pretty clear now.

so just to remind, cause this was ignored:

although being active on this forum, almost everyone who blames this poor people for buying from key resellers instead of backup them, isn't an old gamer and don't belong here! seriously you're backing up shitty, greedy pubs/devs. i advise to play more old and new games before continuing with such posts.

also please don't reply to my post with stories about the "poor" ubisoft and their "losses". before doing so just look after far cry 4 sales. also shrink budget for pr.

not only that the games doesn't justify the price in any way, you'll forced to deal with a shitty steam clone and (just to remember you) not everyone is rich, so this greedy asshat pubs/devs should be happy that people are spending money on key resellers for their overpriced, incomplete, buggy games nowdays!

you're blaming people with the desire to play a game, the courage, honesty, decency and willingness to pay for it and being to poor for ubi's greedy prices!

so to everyone affected with this shitty removals, make a new account on ubisoft and state on their forum, that you will pirate their games from now on since they remove bought games. thats why we need piracy!
Posted January 27, 2015
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apehater: i hope my point about the "scammed" uplay keys is pretty clear now.

so just to remind, cause this was ignored:

although being active on this forum, almost everyone who blames this poor people for buying from key resellers instead of backup them, isn't an old gamer and don't belong here! seriously you're backing up shitty, greedy pubs/devs. i advise to play more old and new games before continuing with such posts.

also please don't reply to my post with stories about the "poor" ubisoft and their "losses". before doing so just look after far cry 4 sales. also shrink budget for pr.

not only that the games doesn't justify the price in any way, you'll forced to deal with a shitty steam clone and (just to remember you) not everyone is rich, so this greedy asshat pubs/devs should be happy that people are spending money on key resellers for their overpriced, incomplete, buggy games nowdays!

you're blaming people with the desire to play a game, the courage, honesty, decency and willingness to pay for it and being to poor for ubi's greedy prices!

so to everyone affected with this shitty removals, make a new account on ubisoft and state on their forum, that you will pirate their games from now on since they remove bought games. thats why we need piracy!
People who take advantage of a lower price in poorer regions are just shitheads who deserve what they're getting. I don't like either Ubisoft or Rebellion, but I hope other publishers follow in their footsteps to stop scammers and thieves, as well as these consumers, from ruining a measure that's designed to encourage sales of games in these regions. Entitlement is not a cool word anymore, but it's the only one that applies to people thinking they can decide how much something is worth instead of buying something else or abstaining.
Thanks for your honesty! :D
Posted January 27, 2015
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apehater: i hope my point about the "scammed" uplay keys is pretty clear now.

so just to remind, cause this was ignored:

although being active on this forum, almost everyone who blames this poor people for buying from key resellers instead of backup them, isn't an old gamer and don't belong here! seriously you're backing up shitty, greedy pubs/devs. i advise to play more old and new games before continuing with such posts.

also please don't reply to my post with stories about the "poor" ubisoft and their "losses". before doing so just look after far cry 4 sales. also shrink budget for pr.

not only that the games doesn't justify the price in any way, you'll forced to deal with a shitty steam clone and (just to remember you) not everyone is rich, so this greedy asshat pubs/devs should be happy that people are spending money on key resellers for their overpriced, incomplete, buggy games nowdays!

you're blaming people with the desire to play a game, the courage, honesty, decency and willingness to pay for it and being to poor for ubi's greedy prices!

so to everyone affected with this shitty removals, make a new account on ubisoft and state on their forum, that you will pirate their games from now on since they remove bought games. thats why we need piracy!
lul what? came over here i show what poor is a**h**le
Posted January 27, 2015
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realkman666: People who take advantage of a lower price in poorer regions are just shitheads who deserve what they're getting.
You have absoultely no idea what you're talking about.
Posted January 27, 2015
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realkman666: People who take advantage of a lower price in poorer regions are just shitheads who deserve what they're getting.
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MorningStar33: You have absoultely no idea what you're talking about.
Cross-region purchases, y'know, the reason behind all this.
Posted January 27, 2015
The guy swore to me it fell off the back of a van. And the only reason we were doing business in the back of a 3rd class strip club from the trunk of his Lada is because he stalled and pushed the car to the nearest convenient spot.
Posted January 27, 2015
Was it just me or was the sum total of his posts alternating between arguments from incredulence and no true Scotsman?
Posted January 27, 2015
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justanoldgamer: The guy swore to me it fell off the back of a van. And the only reason we were doing business in the back of a 3rd class strip club from the trunk of his Lada is because he stalled and pushed the car to the nearest convenient spot.
I gave him 5 bucks as shield insurance. The guy's legit!
Posted January 27, 2015
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MorningStar33: You have absoultely no idea what you're talking about.
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realkman666: Cross-region purchases, y'know, the reason behind all this.
I understand what you're trying and to say. And you are completely wrong. Literally. Nothing you said is correct, including all that internet rage that I didn't quote. Your perception of economic situation is laughable.
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