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General discussionHave you bought your Ubisoft game from a shady cd key reseller ?(105 posts)(105 posts)
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Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: are you sure there is a market, where you get a list with lets say 1000 valid credit card infos, that will stay valid at least one month (credit card holder isn't aware of the credit info theft)? and would such lists be wasted for a 50 dollar game per credit card? are credit card infos that cheap to obtain?
Yes. Even though this article is old, take a look here for the very quick and very easy way of getting a quick card to use.
And lists are also obtainable, like the old Sony hack were credit card numbers were obtained. Or other methods of skimming card numbers, especially the contactless ones.

But we are skirting illegal territories here, so unsure if we can continue.
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: my experiences with a bank are so far, that they'll first proof before chargeback. although you're the owner of the bank account you have to proove to the bank why the charge was illegit or the bank does nothing. so i don't believe this explanation.
I don't know, i never done that but i can assume that i can buy a large amount of copies and say to my bank that my credit card information was stolen. Sure, i can't repeat the same thing again but i already got away with some "free" cash from the scam so i don't care.

Besides, most of this cases are with stolen credit cards,read or watch this news, they show how a scumbag can stole credit card information with a device, multiply that by various scammers (like i said, an organization) and you get an idea of how does it get to those numbers....
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: thats great.. currently investigating, but already removed the games. so already in prison while the court will be in the future, to decide guilty or not. that's something that normally applies to investigation crimes with killed persons or risk of flight.
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Phasmid: Currently investigating 'the source of the fraud'. They are saying that it is definitely fraud, they just don't know the source. To use your example, a murder does not become a murder once you know who did it, it becomes a murder when you know it was an unlawful killing. By that measure Ubisoft has found the body and knows it was murder, they just don't know who exactly committed the crime. The example used below is actually better though, that of stolen goods sold through a trader.

"Ubisoft has said it is actively deactivating keys it believes were "fraudulently" obtained ..."
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Phasmid: That is editorialising from Eurogamer. Ubisoft clearly states that it was fraud and they are investigating it to determine who is to blame. It's the same way articles descibe an 'alleged assault' where someone has definitely been punched in the face.

There is, of course, plenty of potential for complaint about Ubisoft's conduct, but fraudulent purchases using CCs that have been harvested from security breaches is pretty common. Buying from key resellers is little different from buying from a dodgy second hand trader- you run the risk that what you buy is stolen, and if the police (or in this case Ubisoft) find out they'll take it off you because it is stolen..
this doesnt change what i have posted. presumption of innocence like it should be and not like ubisoft is doing. besides that, i maybe missed it, so again where is ubisofts official statement: keys of game w bought on site x from trader y in timeperiod z are illegit?

its rebellion revokes sniper elite 3 all over again, open the eyes people!
Post edited January 26, 2015 by apehater
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: this doesnt change what i have posted. presumption of innocence like it should be and not like ubisoft is doing. besides that, i maybe missed it, so again where is ubisofts official statement: keys of game w bought on site x from trader y in timeperiod z are illegit?
You won't get an answer since it's unknowable for Ubisoft. They can't trace every single key, where it went, who sold it on which marketplace and when. They *can* however see which of their keys were purchased fraudulently and revoke those keys.

There is no need for this 'presumption of innocence' if they know the key you activated was bought fraudulently. Where you got it after it was bought that way is irrelevant to Ubisoft.

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apehater: its rebellion revokes sniper elite 3 all over again, open the eyes people!
This just as likelyway closer to when Unknown Worlds Deactivated 1341 Steam keys for Natural Selection 2.

Open your eyes indeed. There's more than one possible reason behind a move like this.
Post edited January 26, 2015 by Pheace
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: its rebellion revokes sniper elite 3 all over again, open the eyes people!
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Pheace: This just as likelyway closer to when Unknown Worlds Deactivated 1341 Steam keys for Natural Selection 2.

Open your eyes indeed.
how about this fresh article
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Pheace: You won't get an answer since it's unknowable for Ubisoft. They can't trace every single key, where it went, who sold it on which marketplace and when. They *can* however see which of their keys were purchased fraudulently and revoke those keys.
fairy tale
Post edited January 26, 2015 by apehater
Posted January 26, 2015
I wonder how many of those " F@ck you Ubisoft " cry babies have a high end PC .
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: are you sure there is a market, where you get a list with lets say 1000 valid credit card infos, that will stay valid at least one month (credit card holder isn't aware of the credit info theft)? and would such lists be wasted for a 50 dollar game per credit card? are credit card infos that cheap to obtain?
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JMich: Yes. Even though this article is old, take a look here for the very quick and very easy way of getting a quick card to use.
And lists are also obtainable, like the old Sony hack were credit card numbers were obtained. Or other methods of skimming card numbers, especially the contactless ones.

But we are skirting illegal territories here, so unsure if we can continue.
you don't need to continue or can just via pm, but i assume you get what i mean.

i think the way to scam with cc's discussed here can't be true if ubisoft revoked 1000 or more keys over this weekend. in such a case its ruthless greedyness of ubisoft, as long as they don't officially present proofs and accuse directly traders and so on (like i said before).

TO THE DEREP VIA ALT ACCOUNT USER: you need help and it won't get better through clickng on the red buttons
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: how about this fresh article
It's part of the current discussion. It's not only AC:U that's affected, FC4 is as well. Not a new discussion, it's part of the current one.
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: my experiences with a bank are so far, that they'll first proof before chargeback. although you're the owner of the bank account you have to proove to the bank why the charge was illegit or the bank does nothing. so i don't believe this explanation.
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Cyraxpt: I don't know, i never done that but i can assume that i can buy a large amount of copies and say to my bank that my credit card information was stolen. Sure, i can't repeat the same thing again but i already got away with some "free" cash from the scam so i don't care.

Besides, most of this cases are with stolen credit cards,read or watch this news, they show how a scumbag can stole credit card information with a device, multiply that by various scammers (like i said, an organization) and you get an idea of how does it get to those numbers....
i'm pretty sure the way you show us here, doesn't work. you have to spend too much time and money compared to the most unlikely profit. no one will do this for profit.
Posted January 26, 2015
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Leroux: Lucky you. I wish I could say the same. :P
Haha, good one indeed ;)
Thou I'm sorry for you if (some of) your ubi games on gog aren't working as you'd wish.
Posted January 26, 2015
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JMich: It's part of the current discussion. It's not only AC:U that's affected, FC4 is as well. Not a new discussion, it's part of the current one.
I think WD also affected .
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: i think the way to scam with cc's discussed here can't be true if ubisoft revoked 1000 or more keys over this weekend.
End of the month, CC statements being mailed. People see an unauthorized transaction (even if it happened a month ago), call their bank to cancel it. Transaction marked as chargedback, key marked as fraudulent. Add an extra possibility that the retailer waited to get a batch of keys to ask for revocation, and you can end up in this situation.

And I do agree that it's the same as Sniper Elite 3, but I also believe that Rebellion was in the right at that point.
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: i think the way to scam with cc's discussed here can't be true if ubisoft revoked 1000 or more keys over this weekend.
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JMich: End of the month, CC statements being mailed. People see an unauthorized transaction (even if it happened a month ago), call their bank to cancel it. Transaction marked as chargedback, key marked as fraudulent. Add an extra possibility that the retailer waited to get a batch of keys to ask for revocation, and you can end up in this situation.
i played the discussed way through and come again to the same conclusion. if 1000 or more keys revoked over weekend than its greedyness no scam. since you don't know if the cc info you're about to use for your current scam will chargeback today or in a month.

to the rebellion thing, so there was a proof that the revoked keys were illegit?
Posted January 26, 2015
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Leroux: Lucky you. I wish I could say the same. :P
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mobutu: Haha, good one indeed ;)
Thou I'm sorry for you if (some of) your ubi games on gog aren't working as you'd wish.
Well, they work, but Rayman Origins for example has this issue on the PC that your autosave can get corrupted, and if this happens, you had better made a manual backup copy of this file which is hidden somewhere in the AppData folder IIRC, because there is no other savegame than the autosave, and if you lose it, you can start all over. Ubisoft knows about this, but their only solution is a manual backup (tell that to the average player, who might never have heard of AppData and will only notice this issue when it's too late).
Post edited January 26, 2015 by Leroux
Posted January 26, 2015
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apehater: i played the discussed way through and come again to the same conclusion. if 1000 or more keys revoked over weekend than its greedyness no scam. since you don't know if the cc info you're about to use for your current scam will chargeback today or in a month.
And again, that is why you don't keep the keys for more than 48 hours. Now, I'm not sure about it, but credit cards do tend to have a specific date when statements are sent, and from what I recall, it's usually end of the month. So I still find it possible that it was due to CC statements that triggered the chargebacks and the revokes. Unless it's a case similar to SE3, aka stolen retail codes.


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apehater: to the rebellion thing, so there was a proof that the revoked keys were illegit?
This quote from Rebellion, in this thread
To clarify, one of our PC retail distributors informed us that some of their allotted Steam keys were stolen. We believe these keys were then resold to multiple companies, with no payments going to either Valve or the retail distributor.
So it seems that for Sniper Elite 3, physical boxes may have been stolen, not chargebacks from credit cards. Closest I can find to source of those keys is this reddit post. You will need to find a Hungarian to see if they can find more info on it though.
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