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Christ, this thread is cancer. If this was the first thread I saw on visiting GOG forums, I'd leave and never come back.
I don't fear my neighbor with whom I drink beer. And you, just like everyone else, are free to think whatever you please.
Not going to waste any more of my time to pointless banter. EOT.
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mike_cesara: I don't fear my neighbor with whom I drink beer. And you, just like everyone else, are free to think whatever you please.
Not going to waste any more of my time to pointless banter. EOT.
Did you know that 9 out of 10 homophobes are closet queers?

But I'm sure you're a 10%'er, mikey. lol
Really? Those things do matter in a video game? Maybe I am just a bit too simple in this regard. Play the game, like or dislike the game. Don't care about politics or anything in games since it's all make believe after all (I also watch horror movies in which people use chainsaws to do terrible, terrible things ... don't care - it's just a movie). Just enjoy the game. I would never try to write a diploma about a video game. Are the graphics and music good? Do I like the gameplay? Have I enjoyed the story? Or even more easy: was it fun? That's all that matters to me.
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MarkoH01: Really? Those things do matter in a video game? Maybe I am just a bit too simple in this regard. Play the game, like or dislike the game. Don't care about politics or anything in games since it's all make believe after all (I also watch horror movies in which people use chainsaws to do terrible, terrible things ... don't care - it's just a movie). Just enjoy the game. I would never try to write a diploma about a video game. Are the graphics and music good? Do I like the gameplay? Have I enjoyed the story? Or even more easy: was it fun? That's all that matters to me.
Except that such matters can get in the way of fun.

For example, imagine you're black, and there's this game that seems like it would be a really fun game; it's in your genre, and it has great gameplay, so you buy it and start playing it, and have a lot of fun.

Then, all of the sudden, you encounter some NPCs that hurl the n-word around (not going to post the actual word here, but it's a 6 letter word that is derived from the Spanish word for "black", and it's considered a slur). Can you see how this makes the game less fun?

Now, suppose you finally encounter a black character in the game, and said character does extremely cruel things, and is extremely repulsive. How does it make you feel when the only character who is like you is portrayed in such an offensive manner?

To make it worse, when you actually reach this boss, your character says something like "Die, [n-word]!". (Again, I'm not posting the actual word here, but it's the same one.) How does this make you feel?

Can you see why this sort of thing would ruin the fun for some gamers?
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dtgreene: Can you see why this sort of thing would ruin the fun for some gamers?
Maybe for some but not for me. Then again it's hard to imagine how I would feel if a computer generated fictional character would say such things to my also fictional computer created character and I would be black. Hmmmm ... no, I doubt it would be different. You see, the one thing is the fictional world and the other is reality. Insult my character as much as you like (by playing some mp3 behind some pixel graphics) - I won't care. Of course it's a bad thing if people feel hurt because of this but I am pretty sure I would never be one of them. No matter if I'd be black, brown, yellow, christian, buddhist, straight, gay, indian ect. The game is not actually insulting ME ... it does not even know ME it is insulting my character with phrases that might hurt if they'd be said to me ... but they don't because they aren't.
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dtgreene: Can you see why this sort of thing would ruin the fun for some gamers?
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MarkoH01: Maybe for some but not for me. Then again it's hard to imagine how I would feel if a computer generated fictional character would say such things to my also fictional computer created character and I would be black. Hmmmm ... no, I doubt it would be different. You see, the one thing is the fictional worls and the other is reality. Insult my character as much as you like (by playing some mp3 behind some pixel graphics) - I won't care. Of course it's a bad thing if people feel hurt because of this but I am pretty sure I would never be one of them. No matter if I'd be black, brown, yellow, christian, buddhist, straight, gay, indian ect. The game is not actually insulting ME ... it does not even know ME it is insulting my character with phrases that might hurt if they'd be said to me ... but they don't because they aren't.
Here's another analogy:

Imagine a game that takes place during World War 2. In this game, you are a Nazi soldier, and your goal is to kill Jews. For every Jew you kill (and they look like your stereotypical Jew, no variation to account for the fact that Jewish people have all kinds of appearences), you earn points. The more points you earn, the more you're complimented on your task well done.

Related, how about another game, se in (or perhaps shorty before, but certainly when Hitler was in power) World War 2. In this game, you are in charge of a concentration camp, or shall we say, death camp. Your goal is to try and get as many innocent prisoners killed, while not letting them escape. The more that die, the better the reward, and the game keeps encouraging you to keep killing them. Would this bother you?

(Note that there's a good chance these games, if they existed, would be banned in Germany.)
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RetroPopz: Yes, despite the miniscule portion of the world population which is gay, all future media, to include video games, must now conform in all respects to the PC whims arising in just the last couple of years. To hell with thousands of years of history, culture and science. There will be no tolerance for intolerance! What about the 99% of normal people - do they have to pay good money to be subjected to perversion whether they like it or not?
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MarkoH01: Maybe for some but not for me. Then again it's hard to imagine how I would feel if a computer generated fictional character would say such things to my also fictional computer created character and I would be black. Hmmmm ... no, I doubt it would be different. You see, the one thing is the fictional worls and the other is reality. Insult my character as much as you like (by playing some mp3 behind some pixel graphics) - I won't care. Of course it's a bad thing if people feel hurt because of this but I am pretty sure I would never be one of them. No matter if I'd be black, brown, yellow, christian, buddhist, straight, gay, indian ect. The game is not actually insulting ME ... it does not even know ME it is insulting my character with phrases that might hurt if they'd be said to me ... but they don't because they aren't.
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dtgreene: Here's another analogy:

Imagine a game that takes place during World War 2. In this game, you are a Nazi soldier, and your goal is to kill Jews. For every Jew you kill (and they look like your stereotypical Jew, no variation to account for the fact that Jewish people have all kinds of appearences), you earn points. The more points you earn, the more you're complimented on your task well done.

Related, how about another game, se in (or perhaps shorty before, but certainly when Hitler was in power) World War 2. In this game, you are in charge of a concentration camp, or shall we say, death camp. Your goal is to try and get as many innocent prisoners killed, while not letting them escape. The more that die, the better the reward, and the game keeps encouraging you to keep killing them. Would this bother you?

(Note that there's a good chance these games, if they existed, would be banned in Germany.)
I would simply not be interested in such games - that's all.
And yes, I know that such games would be banned in Germany which exactly says nothing since Germany is banning everything to "protect" people from harmless video games. I am not a fan of censoring at all and if for whatever reason I would like to play such a game I would still get it. But as I said - I would not be interested. I don't see any fun in killing pixel jews or playing a Nazi soldier who has to kill pixel jews or whatever. What I know is that my life is far too short for me to think or discuss those "problems" in length though. All I wanted to say is that for me personally it does not matter and I would not think about it because we are just talking about some games.
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MarkoH01: Maybe for some but not for me. Then again it's hard to imagine how I would feel if a computer generated fictional character would say such things to my also fictional computer created character and I would be black. Hmmmm ... no, I doubt it would be different. You see, the one thing is the fictional worls and the other is reality. Insult my character as much as you like (by playing some mp3 behind some pixel graphics) - I won't care. Of course it's a bad thing if people feel hurt because of this but I am pretty sure I would never be one of them. No matter if I'd be black, brown, yellow, christian, buddhist, straight, gay, indian ect. The game is not actually insulting ME ... it does not even know ME it is insulting my character with phrases that might hurt if they'd be said to me ... but they don't because they aren't.
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dtgreene: Here's another analogy:

Imagine a game that takes place during World War 2. In this game, you are a Nazi soldier, and your goal is to kill Jews. For every Jew you kill (and they look like your stereotypical Jew, no variation to account for the fact that Jewish people have all kinds of appearences), you earn points. The more points you earn, the more you're complimented on your task well done.

Related, how about another game, se in (or perhaps shorty before, but certainly when Hitler was in power) World War 2. In this game, you are in charge of a concentration camp, or shall we say, death camp. Your goal is to try and get as many innocent prisoners killed, while not letting them escape. The more that die, the better the reward, and the game keeps encouraging you to keep killing them. Would this bother you?

(Note that there's a good chance these games, if they existed, would be banned in Germany.)
Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but let me just leave this here:

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader_Kings_II:_Sons_of_Abraham#Reception]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader_Kings_II:_Sons_of_Abraham#Reception[/url]

(I should note that as a historical game - as opposed to pseudo-medieval fantasy games or "historical" games like Battlefield - I just accept this as part of the time period.)

EDIT: I'd love it if the forum would stop randomly breaking when it comes to links.
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dtgreene: *evil nazi stuff*
1. There's a difference between glorifying Nazis and using stereotypical (= you get who or what they are without any further explanation or introduction) characters as NPCs. GTA wouldn't work without stereotypes. That means we'd miss a piece of gaming history!
2. There's a difference between fiction and reality.
3. Not every game is for everyone. You can't release a game that's 100% inoffensive to everyone who could play it at any point in the future. Maybe we all have to learn to accept that there are games that are just not for us.
4. Diversity! You preach it, but you don't follow it. If developers start to listen to your phobiascism crap, we get the exact opposite of diversity. We'll end up with a shitload of jewish black trans-female main characters. I mean... personally, I wouldn't care to play as a jewish black trans-female character. I just think she'd look ridiculous, jumping on random turtle's backs, wearing that red-blue plumber outfit and speaking with an italian accent oO
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dtgreene: *evil nazi stuff*
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real.geizterfahr: 1. There's a difference between glorifying Nazis and using stereotypical (= you get who or what they are without any further explanation or introduction) characters as NPCs. GTA wouldn't work without stereotypes. That means we'd miss a piece of gaming history!
2. There's a difference between fiction and reality.
3. Not every game is for everyone. You can't release a game that's 100% inoffensive to everyone who could play it at any point in the future. Maybe we all have to learn to accept that there are games that are just not for us.
4. Diversity! You preach it, but you don't follow it. If developers start to listen to your phobiascism crap, we get the exact opposite of diversity. We'll end up with a shitload of jewish black trans-female main characters. I mean... personally, I wouldn't care to play as a jewish black trans-female character. I just think she'd look ridiculous, jumping on random turtle's backs, wearing that red-blue plumber outfit and speaking with an italian accent oO
The problem is that there aren't *any* jewish black trans-female characters; it would be nice to ge a chance to play as one at least *some* of the time.

In fact, I can't think of any mainstream game whose main character is any one of those types (unless you count Morrowind, which defaults your character to one of the dark skinned races); it would be nice to actually get to play such a character, for a change.

Also, it's OK if the character looks ridiculous, as long as that ridiculousness isn't somehow offensive.
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dtgreene: I would rather have a modern Might and Magic 2 or a modern Bard's Tale 3.

Or, perhaps, a modern Final Fantasy 5 or a modern SaGa Frontier. (I would actually like to see some indie developers try to copy the SaGa formula, to the extent that such a thing exists.)
Would you actually play such a remake of an old classic? Of all your comments here on GoG you only talk about games that are at least 20 years old so would you really play a new game?
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dtgreene: I would rather have a modern Might and Magic 2 or a modern Bard's Tale 3.

Or, perhaps, a modern Final Fantasy 5 or a modern SaGa Frontier. (I would actually like to see some indie developers try to copy the SaGa formula, to the extent that such a thing exists.)
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jepsen1977: Would you actually play such a remake of an old classic? Of all your comments here on GoG you only talk about games that are at least 20 years old so would you really play a new game?
I've had several recommendations from dtgreene of modern games, so I think your comments may be somewhat unfounded and disingenuous.
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dtgreene: The problem is that there aren't *any* jewish black trans-female characters; it would be nice to ge a chance to play as one at least *some* of the time.
And I can't think of any games with albino, one-eyed, left-handed eskimos either.

That doesn't make it a problem...

Did you ever consider that the market for games with Jewish black trans-female protagonists might be rather small (if there is one)? Or would you rather every developer go out of business when their games don't sell and they can't pay their programmers...

It looks like this is another thread complaining that developers aren't making the exact game someone "claims" to want (but what they claim to want changes every second). More stupidity about how developers must make games that work for "everyone" as if that is possible.

I've been playing a bit of Rogue Legacy. The game includes a ton of traits which one could claim makes it diverse, but I bet vegetarians can't be happy since the only food you can eat is chicken. How dare they! What a crappy game! {sarcasm}

What this proves is if people want to complain they can always find a reason. And that is all you are doing...