@ RWarehall, yoghsloth: Good speeches. Now, that's teaching how to play (not that any of the two reasonings is entirely without holes, though). If you two are Slyth together, you deserve an Oscar.

Skimmed the rest of the game o_o

uhm, yeah. Lots of words. I didn't read all of them, sorry.

yogs v. RW is interesting keep it up fellas.

When Gamerager says "go JOE" are you trying to breadcrumb that we're on the same team? We're not playing that game any more!


Kick SirPrimalform

He's seems uncharacteristicly motivated.

Votus Conputatio

SirPrimalform 99
yogsloth 99
trentonlf 99
Lif...

STOPPUS

Oh, for crying out loud...

DUMBLEDORE!

I'm good, thanks

You got anything else over there in your bag of tricks other than "GameRager is town due to derpclear" and "yog suxx"?

I see lots of people reading GR as town, but I'm not so sure myself. I underestimated him last SH; I'm not gonna give him a free pass this time. He may have poor memory but that doesn't make him dumb. He's perfectly capable of scheming while hiding under a veil of harmlessness.

On the other hand I understand Lift dropping his hard stance and see it as at least NAI. Lift appears town-ish to me but I can't really point why. Also gotta agree to leave house claims out of the game until we have an actual reason to use them.

As for acceptable lies that he and GR were discussing, the one time I can think lies can only benefit town is if a powerful unlimited investigative PR like a cop needs to claim to out an investigated mafia. In that case I'd say it is more useful to say they are N-shot, now all used, to reduce the chance they're the nightkill.

I don't get your reasoning, care to explain? Are you talking from experience of how SirPrimalForm played in other games?

And who doesn't agree with that...
But...
Do you agree on Town Clearing someone for joking they are Slytherin?
How about Town Clearing the first person who points out the WIFOM of joking they are Slytherin?
Or the other "Town Clearing" for making a single fairly obvious post?
And after Town Clearing most every player during RVS for questionable reasons before the game has even really got going, he's acting as if the game is solved by his random Town clearing without any real analysis of what is going in in the game.

Because that is what Yogs was actually doing based on RVS nonsense. If someone makes truly insightful posts (but usually a pattern of useful posts), I might Town clear them. But I take the whole portfolio, do an ISO of all their posts in context to try to answer the deeper question of true motivation. You don't get that from declaring people Town at the drop of a hat for one maybe Town sounding post.

Here are these insightful Yogs posts:
26: I'm Goyle, from Slytherin. Who are y'all? I'm going to go read the rules now.
34: I'm Town-clearing Joe. Next.
36: But not you. Why are you linking to a post of Joe's with a quote he didn't say?
38: Ah nevermind, I legitimately didn't figure that out lol. But since we're here. What's ballsy about what Joe's doing?
41: OK, so you're quoting Joe to comment on Carr being ballsy or funny. null, whatever
49: Votus RWarehall
52: Hooch? I think she flies for the blue team if you know what I'm sayin' Annnnnnnnnnnd....
54: Hello person whom I have not met! I see agent gets a free pass for claiming Slytherin. I also see you have now tied me for lead wagon. I see I see I see.

Do you see this great load of content before my joke vote? He only got serious when I dropped a silly Omgus vote on him...yet is acting as if this was great content. Short posts with little to no real explanation at all...

What I remember of old Town Yogsloth was someone who would try to break the game open from Day 1. This game I saw what looked like going through the motions, maybe passing shade and pocketing while staying completely clear of the line-of-fire. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a bad feeling about him.

I just ISO'd SPF. Nothing sticking out to me at the moment, but I'd like to hear your case on him. Maybe you can explain what I'm missing and what is scummy.

I myself did it just cuz, if anyone is curious.

Some of those sound good, tbh....I might end up using some of them later on. :)

I mainly use them, in case anyone is curious, to get others to notice certain reply bits without bolding them and possibly having anything misinterpreted as a vote/etc by the OP...and the other things I do in most threads(like lines between replies) to make stuff easier to find and read(when making multiple replies in one post).
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Stupid ketchup. ;D

*Pic attached related....it's me in the Hogwarts dining hall right now*
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You are a good egg and I hope you get well soon. :)
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Well that's mostly what day 1 is....a distraction before the actual game begins in earnest.

Dunno about the others, but I did it because I found that him(up until he dropped it) sticking to a lynch all liars ALWAYS stance while most others seemed to not be doing so seemed to be slightly anti-town play(same as scene's play in SH, even if he was right).

Now if we have a cop/etc...hopefully they will investigate Lift and put it to bed.....then(if they let us somehow know their result) we'll know if Lift is either a town(and thus focus on other players to scum hunt) or scum(and we'll know who to vote for).

Who knows....maybe i'm actually the scummiest scum who ever scummed and this is all going accordion to plan? :D

(The above is a joke, in case anyone doesn't that that o.0)

Yog might also make a good investigation target for any potential cop/etc, I think....either Lift or him.....but even so we'd need to get the game to the next "day" before that would even be possible.

Also once the next "day" begins we'd have a wagon to analyze/etc. Of course i'm not saying we should rush a wagon.....just that once the new "day" begins we'll have more to work with.....a wagon to analyze and(hopefully) any breadcrumbs dropped by a cop/etc(if we have one).
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I do, though....it helps sum up and call attention to certain posts for those like me who might've forgotten or missed something. :)

It's odd, though, as the user you replied to has a wolf in their avatar(iirc). But ok then.
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Also need a BUMP so I can post Part 2(too much text)...thanks in advance.

Now for part 2: mafia game reply boogaloo

At least you are able to let go of it if not many are sticking to that play style/are more flexible than scene....it was due in part to scene, after all, that we won the SH game.

You at least seem to want to win this for us town, and that flexibility will help us to a good degree, I think.

As for tolerating lies as a joke....I tolerate those(as I said) which give or can give town an edge....essentially anything within the rules goes as long as it helps town win.

It's because of the lack of champagne, isn't it? ;)

As said above....anything to win.....in your idea if one refuses to answer that player could be seen as scummy and get lynched or scum could deduce they were a PR worthy of the next NK. To me, doing such and essentially throwing that town edge away is insane if one is town and wants to win, though I can see your stance likely influences your play a bit so imo you're likely more town than scum(though I still think any cop/etc should verify you to be sure at some point).

Well too late for me, and eh I find it almost as bad as your "town PRs should paint targets on themselves" style of play so I wouldn't follow it even if I hadn't claimed/stated house already for kicks. ;)

(I agree any others shouldn't do it unless they think it will give us town an edge or want to, however)
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Bah, if I can make an effort to improve my play so can you......*hands Joe a notepad and a pair of reading glasses*....now get ta work. ;D

It was more a play on either someone else mentioning GI Joes earlier.
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While I agree they should be suspicious of me until/unless I am proven town, I have to say the scheming bit made me chuckle......due to my poor memory and lack of notes(usually...I am trying to do so a bit as of late to play better in new games) it makes it hard to even try to scheme, (as one misplaced/mis-remembered thought/line and/or forgetting something crucial[as what happens to me IRL sometimes] would likely cause me to get figured out or cause it to all fall apart.

TBH when I was scum in the SH game I got luck & seemingly only won due to luck/scene's sticking to his play(which caused others to focus on him and possibly play a certain way to spite him in some cases)....most games I get lynched within a few "days" due to play style.

That seems a good idea for any such power roles, and might be better than claiming vanilla(for town PRs).
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Done for now, y'all.....anyone got any questions? :)

I'd like your take on Caeser as well.

I agree it's NAI by itself, but your entire case was that he should either be lynched for lying or lynched for telling the truth. The point I've been trying to make is that a joke is not a lie. If we agree that it's NAI but almost certainly a joke regardless of alignment, then I don't see your case for lynching him.

You have no particular reason to lynch him if the joke is NAI, because you've just admitted that it doesn't give you a reason to consider him scum. So without any particular reason to consider him scum, and assuming 3 scum in the game there's a 3/14 chance he's scum who told a joke.

As far as I could see, you weren't putting forward an argument as to why you think he's scum, but rather advocating a policy lynch. So I guess it's down to whether one considers a joke a lie.

I don't recall you ever wanting to lynch flubbucket for similar water-muddying (at least right at the beginning of a game, well and truly within RVS).

That's interesting as it relates to the double standard I perceived with flub. I don't know Agent that well, perhaps you know him better than me? But it certainly doesn't strike me as wildly out of character.


I'm generally a strong advocate for LAL, but RVS is RVS. I don't think Agent's joke was out of place with the tone of the game at that point. If it had come once the game was properly under way I would feel differently.

I agree with all of those reads, especially that nice Mr Primalform. Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on your position.

It's amazing what a short sabbatical and a slow day at work will do for your enthusiasm.

FlockeSchnee and his two posts can pretty much eat some rope, too.

Posts by that user sparse and instructions unclear.....now have foot in jam.

Jokes aside: His posts are sparse and mostly just common sense stuff and minor musings....could lean him either way atm, tbh, though his rare posting isn't going to do him any favors I think.

I was only skimming though the posts the past days, trying to "get a feel for the game".
I said, I will try and I will do so to the best of my ability. So here goes ...

Votus yogslosh

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My thoughts so far: (Feel free to point and laugh.)

SirPrimalform
Counts as town for me at this point. He finds the same things odd, that I do.
I really hope that's not gonna count against me should he flip scum at some point (if I'm still around then).

yogsloth
Looks scummiest to me right now.
What's that with RWarehall? The whole demeanor reads as aggressive bluff (I don't know if that's the right term) = scum to me.
And why so insistant, that agentcarr is town? (post 79)
"Our only objective is not to die namelessly in the final battle"? Sounds scummy to me. Good people just want (preferably) everyone (otherwise as many as possible) to survive, why do they need everyone to know their names to work on achieving that?

trentonlf
Maybe scum?
Jumping to vote SirPrimalform for the reason he stated seems suspicious. Like fishing for a reason to vote someone. But why pick SPF specifically?

I'd like explanations for "Would vote Lift, Carradice, RW or Pooka".

Lifthrasil
Probably scum?
This whole insistance on LAL on something that could easily be a joke this early in the game and nothing else to go on is weird. Especially since he is making excuses for Yogsloth doing the same thing in post 103: "Yogs just saw a stupid idea and compulsively went along."
Also: The Pooka/Lift dynamic going on reminds me of the previous (Supernatural) game and Lfit was scum in that one.

FlockeSchnee
Town, but only me knows that. (Even scum only knows that FS isn't scum.)

JoeSapphire
No idea at this point. But doesn't seem all that motivated?

Carradice
Counts as town for me at this point.
But mostly because I'm guessing from the posts made so far which character Carradice might be and that one shouldn't be scum. But it could be a false breadcrumbing or just randum fluff or me getting it totally wrong, so that might change later.

RWarehall
No idea at this point. And only few posts.

GameRager
Lots of posts, little to say? I have to check them more thoroughly at another time.

ConsulCaesar
Not many posts, little to say?

sanscript/Microfish_1
Not sure at this point and haven't really checked posts past number 151 onwards yet. Will do that at another time.

joppo
I have to check the posts more thoroughly at another time.

PookaMustard
I have to check the posts more thoroughly at another time.
Also: The Pooka/Lift dynamic going on reminds me of the previous (Supernatural) game and Lfit was scum in that one.

agentcarr16
Currently undecided. Maybe scum?
Maybe that first post was a joke, but "joking" again in post 117 is annoying. It's my first time playing Mafia and it's difficult enough already. If he's actually town he shouldn't be aiming to confuse us/me.

PS:
Since it took like what I felt was an eternity to put this into words (more than 3 hours), I probably missed posts in the meantime. I will catch up to those at another time. My brain needs a break from all this confusion.

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If that is true (other factions being present), it's not the complete house (of those not Gryffindor/Slytherin), only individuals residing in/associated with them.

Yep, about the FlakeSnow translation and thank you. Still trying to figure out how to spot things. Well, pratice is key with this, I guess.

Votus Conputatio

RWarehall 2 - yogsloth, agent
Lift 2 - Pooka, GameRager
SPF 2 - trent, Joe
yogs 2 - RWarehall, FlockeShnee
agent 1 - Micro

Everyone else - 0
Not voting - everyone else

14 players remaining - it takes 8 to lynch.

Aha! It worked. Thank you, Professor Dumbledore.

When you see a vote count, please check that your name is against the right person.