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richlind33: I couldn't do that without compromising my integrity, which I refuse to do. The "business" perspective of the leet corporations is amoral. I've argued economics for 25 or so years, and run into more than a few who acknowledged that straightaway. It's part and parcel of materialism, and in that world, property takes precedence over people, which I find ghastly and offensive. I know *exactly* how the real world works, and consciously choose to deal with it on *my* terms, rather than it's own.

That said, what you claim is again false. GOG could provide the workaround without accepting responsibility by means of a disclaimer. End of.
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tammerwhisk: You realize capitalism and consumerism are what make the 'gaming industry' even possible right? Seems kinda foolish to dig your heels in "on principle"... when you are focusing on frivilous entertainment products made possible by the system you vehemently despise.
"Frivolous"? Really? o.O

Entertainment has tremendous socio-economic significance, largely for the same reasons that it was important to the Roman Empire.
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tastymonkey: Would you expect Linux distros that have not used Kernel 2.0.x in years to still be serviced or for applications to still work on them?
There is a huge difference between updating free software like Linux kernel, and updating a proprietary blob like Windows.
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chevkoch: This. I too am relying on my XP machine to play games I purchased on GOG when they were promised to work on that OS. If via update XP compatibility gets broken, older versions available would solve that issue. I cannot fathom why GOG doesn't offer these.
No they were promised to work on "modern" OS; XP is no longer modern by any account, if you wan to still use it fine but then it's your responsibility to make the games work on it.

Also as mentioned by others there is no "older" version of New Vegas, the very first version released on Gog is the one we currently have.
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richlind33: That said, what you claim is again false. GOG could provide the workaround without accepting responsibility by means of a disclaimer. End of.
Oh? Let me quote my previous post which I even linked you to.

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Aemony: I guess that GOG could provide a patch or version of the DLL file without any warranty, support or guarantee, but releasing an unsupported patch/fix officially tend to cause a major headache in terms of consumer expectations and support tickets.
So congratulations, you just invalidated your own comment.

Jeez, at least READ what I link you to and take that into account when replying.
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HereForTheBeer: It'd be handy just in general, for all games and customers. Would be a customer-friendly move that could generate a fair bit of goodwill.
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chevkoch: Absolutely. I know it would put my mind at ease and it wouldn't GOG cost anything much, since - like you already pointed out - the old installers exist.

As it stands I'm seriously pondering making my last few purchases, downloading all my games and be done with buying on here.
This is something I fully support, and it is something GOG still provides (though apparently they're locking down the old versions behind Galaxy, which I don't agree with). The thing with New Vegas though is that it's a completely new release not previously available on GOG. Therefor there's no old installers or versions available for the game on this platform.
Post edited June 15, 2017 by Aemony
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Aemony: This is something I fully support, and it is something GOG still provides (though apparently they're locking down the old versions behind Galaxy, which I don't agree with).
Which is just great since Galaxy users are probably the only ones that have no interest in the rollback function while XP users who bought games when they still had XP support may need them at some point if things continue to go as they do.

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/include_the_rollback_function_on_the_website
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Klumpen0815: Which is just great since Galaxy users are probably the only ones that have no interest in the rollback function while XP users who bought games when they still had XP support may need them at some point if things continue to go as they do.
Actually it's where it's the most useful give that one of the purpose of this rollback feature was has a "safe guard" for "untested" updates uploaded directly by the devs, especially for "In Dev" games

Also there is no "installer" for Galaxy, it works somewhat similar to source control, that's why it's a lot easier to support rollback on Galaxy than it would be with offline installer.
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Aemony: This is something I fully support, and it is something GOG still provides (though apparently they're locking down the old versions behind Galaxy, which I don't agree with).
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Klumpen0815: Which is just great since Galaxy users are probably the only ones that have no interest in the rollback function while XP users who bought games when they still had XP support may need them at some point if things continue to go as they do.

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/include_the_rollback_function_on_the_website
Wouldn't a better wish be "allow older installers to be downloaded where possible". They can't exactly make a "rollback feature" on the site...
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richlind33: That said, what you claim is again false. GOG could provide the workaround without accepting responsibility by means of a disclaimer. End of.
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Aemony: Oh? Let me quote my previous post which I even linked you to.

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Aemony: I guess that GOG could provide a patch or version of the DLL file without any warranty, support or guarantee, but releasing an unsupported patch/fix officially tend to cause a major headache in terms of consumer expectations and support tickets.
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Aemony: So congratulations, you just invalidated your own comment.

Jeez, at least READ what I link you to and take that into account when replying.
You also said this...
The community can provide unofficial fixes however they want with no warranty or guarantee attached to them. GOG can not.
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Aemony: Oh? Let me quote my previous post which I even linked you to.

So congratulations, you just invalidated your own comment.

Jeez, at least READ what I link you to and take that into account when replying.
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richlind33: You also said this...

The community can provide unofficial fixes however they want with no warranty or guarantee attached to them. GOG can not.
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richlind33:
That was in reference to the headaches I described, as well as it not having gone through GOG's QA testing. Sorry for not being clear on that part.

I was basically trying to say that if GOG releases that fix "officially" without actually testing it they can be argued is responsible despite what disclaimers and warnings they ship with it says. If customers sees GOG list and promote a "fix" to their issue that has the consequences of breaking their games (or whatever issue the DLL file can cause) then the consumer will lay the blame on GOG for the issues their "fix" caused. It ties into the corporation <-> consumer relationship subject I have briefly mentioned.

When speaking about the Steam API DLL files there's also the issue with the licensing of those files to consider. I don't think GOG is licensed by Valve to distribute those Steam API DLL files, so if they actually provided such a fix without Valve's approval GOG would be committing piracy. And that's a whole 'nother can of worms I doubt GOG is even willing to glimpse at.
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Klumpen0815: Which is just great since Galaxy users are probably the only ones that have no interest in the rollback function while XP users who bought games when they still had XP support may need them at some point if things continue to go as they do.

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/include_the_rollback_function_on_the_website
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tammerwhisk: Wouldn't a better wish be "allow older installers to be downloaded where possible". They can't exactly make a "rollback feature" on the site...
Probably, though I upvoted the wish anyway. I was honestly surprised that they didn't make all the different versions available for download through the storefront already, though it's probably due to browsers generally being really lackluster download managers unless you're willing to utilize modern HTML5 and JavaScript functionality to basically build a highly advanced download manager within the website.

Their alternative is to basically provide game downloads as split ZIP archives with a max size of between 500 MB to 2 GB per archive. These could be provided on a separate webpage that automatically retrieves published games and versions available from their database (selectable through two drop-down menus) and creates a unique download link for the user to download said archives from (so if the game is on 10 GB the user gets ~5 download links to download).

No idea how it would tie into the current infrastructure, but it sure would be a good alternative as it would provide game downloads outside of Galaxy and simply through your browser.
Post edited June 15, 2017 by Aemony
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richlind33: You also said this...
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Aemony: That was in reference to the headaches I described, as well as it not having gone through GOG's QA testing. Sorry for not being clear on that part.
OK, thanks for clarifying.
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Aemony: I was basically trying to say that if GOG releases that fix "officially" without actually testing it they can be argued is responsible despite what disclaimers and warnings they ship with it says. If customers sees GOG list and promote a "fix" to their issue that has the consequences of breaking their games (or whatever issue the DLL file can cause) then the consumer will lay the blame on GOG for the issues their "fix" caused. It ties into the corporation <-> consumer relationship subject I have briefly mentioned.

When speaking about the Steam API DLL files there's also the issue with the licensing of those files to consider. I don't think GOG is licensed by Valve to distribute those Steam API DLL files, so if they actually provided such a fix without Valve's approval GOG would be committing piracy. And that's a whole 'nother can of worms I doubt GOG is even willing to glimpse at.
I don't want GOG to go out on a limb, just be as helpful as possible, and considering the circumstances, I don't think that's asking too much.

Re the Steam dll, if it is a license issue, I'd be happy if GOG would simply provide the relevant info to anyone that requests it, and when Steam finally gets around to updating it's development tools, the matter becomes moot.
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chevkoch: Absolutely. I know it would put my mind at ease and it wouldn't GOG cost anything much, since - like you already pointed out - the old installers exist.

As it stands I'm seriously pondering making my last few purchases, downloading all my games and be done with buying on here.
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tastymonkey: Just because you want to keep using an OS that is far past its prime does not mean others want to support it. XP had its day in the sun. I hope if you are using XP you are keeping it off any network.
Would you expect Linux distros that have not used Kernel 2.0.x in years to still be serviced or for applications to still work on them? It sounds like you are wanting to take your ball and go home. I say just voice your request like so many others do and stop trying to have the attitude "It should be my way or I will hold my breath". It is up to you of course. :-)

-Tastymonkey
Cool if this issue discussed here does not provide a problem for you.

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chevkoch: This. I too am relying on my XP machine to play games I purchased on GOG when they were promised to work on that OS. If via update XP compatibility gets broken, older versions available would solve that issue. I cannot fathom why GOG doesn't offer these.
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Gersen: No they were promised to work on "modern" OS; XP is no longer modern by any account, if you wan to still use it fine but then it's your responsibility to make the games work on it.
At time of purchase, the gamecard stated WinXP compatibility. That is, at that point in time, a promise to that effect. If updates break that compatibility it would not be a problem if one could download a previous version that still works.
Post edited June 15, 2017 by chevkoch
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chevkoch: At time of purchase, the gamecard stated WinXP compatibility. That is, at that point in time, a promise to that effect. If updates break that compatibility it would not be a problem if one could download a previous version that still works.
And at the time of purchase it was working on XP, but it was never a promise that ten years in the future it would still continue to work on Windows XP. And if you didn't download it at that time, well, fault on you.
Post edited June 16, 2017 by Gersen
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chevkoch: At time of purchase, the gamecard stated WinXP compatibility. That is, at that point in time, a promise to that effect. If updates break that compatibility it would not be a problem if one could download a previous version that still works.
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Gersen: And at the time of purchase it was working on XP, it was never a promise that ten years in the future it would still continue to work on Windows XP. And if you didn't download it at that time, well, fault on you.
I have clearly not stated that I insist on compatibility as a fixed status quo, to never be subject to change come inevitable tech/OS progress. But I can accept that you are - for whatever reason - not wanting to let people who could well use them, have access to previous game versions.
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Gersen: And at the time of purchase it was working on XP, but it was never a promise that ten years in the future it would still continue to work on Windows XP. And if you didn't download it at that time, well, fault on you.
So - if you pay for an ebook in epub format and after some time seller make is available for you in mobi only - is it ok for you ?
Post edited June 16, 2017 by tburger