If you're truly town, I think you should more so be trying to convince people you're town or to get people focused on someone you suspect.

This bit and others of your older posts: you seem to be ok with doing anti town things yourself because what....you're frustrated?

Can I tell you something: I get frustrated at some other people's play/wording/etc near every game.....but I don't try to throw a game over such things(sure, I may sometimes say I would, but it's usually just the frustration/etc talking).....I "suck it up" and try my best to ignore things others do/say that I dislike and work along with everyone anyways.

You wanna be a team player and also show players like me how it's done as town? Then set a good example and don't attempt to throw the game(or seriously contemplate such) because you don't like how some are playing it.
(of course if you're just venting with words like I do sometimes, that's somewhat fine and understandable)

The issue isn't pressure. The issue is that we're at MyLo and there are two scum in the game. L-2 was a dodgy position (assuming neither Pooka or GH is scum), putting him at L-1 is even more dangerous (assuming you aren't scum).

Either you're town and you're just throwing the game (and taking us with you), or you're scum. The only reason I'm not voting for you is because of the former possibility - I don't particularly want to help you lose the game for us.

I'd also figure a player as skilled a Trent would get that....especially after saying NO SPEED VOTES.

Might be a clever gambit to not get lynched as scum(we think he's frustrated at something as he sometimes is, so some of us don't vote him) or to get him lynched as a sacrifice to help keep his scum partner hidden....of course yes, he could also be town and actually frustrated, which is why I am not voting him today(d4) or tomorrow, but rather Pookina.
(well unless I am somehow disastrously wrong and Pookina is town and they get NKd....but I don't think they will get the NK[as I don't think they're town])

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Lastly to all: I will push hard for a NL today....if that's not in the cards, I would be up for a Pookina lynch...but of course i'd much rather have a NL.

Addition to the post above(783) to Catte:

Note also that Pookina's tone/etc changed a bit when replying to me AFTER I self voted and I started to suspect them. They also started replying to me(and replying in general) a decent bit more.

My guess is(if they're scum as I strongly suspect) they didn't expect me to put up much of a fight when voted.....or that i'd try to defend myself/avoid lynch more so with my usual methods and end up(like other games) getting myself suspected/voted/lynched in short order.

Right. Which is why it's mighty weird that Trent's going back to the "claiming at L-2" thing as if that's what we're talking about. At the moment the issue is the very real possibility of a quicklynch happening.

Besides, getting people to claim at this point in the game is completely pointless. The IC is dead, there are only VT and scum left.



Hmm, that's worth a closer look.

Trent also knows this as he said as much....from the same post I linked above: "All scum have to do is get two votes on one person and they can dogpile and win."

I know, what's a scum gonna do if pushed to claim? Say "i'm scum, lynch me"?

(Note: Pookina's bits below are mostly in quotes like these ", and the rest is mine)

Also this

They know we know they dislike NL.....with such in mind, I feel that a scum!Pookina could easily hammer a mislynch like that and make it look like they were doing so (in part) to try and avoid said NL.

Also a correction....their tone/etc shift started as early as their vote for me earlier in Post 707, where they say things like:

"OK, so it's possibly the final day if we mislynch, and I see GH is still...useless?"

Also in that same post they also misconstrued(correct term?) what I mean when I said my play is generally NAI:

"When seriously questioned by catte that he's just being an opportunistic voter, he brushes it off by claiming that's part of his play. Really, nothing about him feels useful, and that's...well."

Note that she said that above line even after I explained that's not what I meant at least once....maybe twice....during the game(and possibly in a reply to them, if my memory is right on that).

Then in post 712 Pookina's tone/etc shifted noticeably, and they started to reply to me more than usual, with stuff like:

"Wooooooooooooooooow. I'm so terrified. I'm shaking in my boots. Soon I'll go cry to my mom (love <3) about this whole ordeal.

Honestly you just made me even less likely to unvote you ;). You're awfully quick to call me scum, even if for all you know it could be town-on-town violence. Yet you act like you became a Cop of sorts and somehow investigated my alignment the moment I voted you. Oh my god you suck.

You're really proving my point that you're useless, by doing the most anti-Town thing you could ever think of. You've seen enough self-votes during your course here, including one I induced on myself to avoid a nolynch (funny, all the lengths I go to make sure you people fucking vote). Did it ever help Town's case? You should know better."

and also

"Yes. 100%. It's time for you to go. Your poking and prodding has been minimal at best if we're being generous, but in my opinion it's non-existent."

Pookina essentially seemed to go from not really replying to me much and being more friendly/laid back/etc with me, to calling me useless and the other stuff above. That, plus what I recall(the little I can) of my time with Pookina as scum, makes me think I am leaning them right.

When d5 starts, I am guessing they will still likely be alive.....and if they are I will be voting them as soon as I am able. Everyone else may feel free to vote them along with me, or me(if they still don't believe my claims/etc)......either way, I feel I tried to give it my all, so i'm happy with the effort I made, no matter if we win or lose(though obviously i'd like for us to win).

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GH goes to the lounge, looking out at the majestic (compared to his own cabin) view through the grand set of windows nearby.

After a few moments he then sits down at a stately and very elegant looking antique piano before beginning to play

Across the ship, a series of booms can be heard....first from a storage room towards the aft of the ship:

"that'll be where the traitors keep their supplies, then...so much more the pity"

Then another series of cacophony comes from the general area of a monitoring station in the other direction:

"and that'll be their eyes and ears..seems all is hopefully about to come together"

I'm well aware we are at mylo and that there are two scum, I'm not an idiot. GH is acting scummy and I am voting him today or tomorrow if possible, don't like it I don't care. Pressure is absolutely what votes are for, but the fact that people just want to make excuses to not even use that pressure is so funny to me. Also the fact that the majority of people have no issue with self votes or no lynching just points to the the low standards this game holds for most. I am not surprised scum win more than lose.

I know you're not an idiot....which is part of why i'm keeping an eye on you and also part of why you're on my short list of suspects.

That's fine...vote who you want....but I will say this(if somehow you are town this game): voting/suspecting the same way(i.e. this action is always scummy, this action is always town...no matter who does it or when/why) is a weakness for watchful and clever scum to exploit.

As I point out to Catte, that is odd coming from the same player who told everyone(post 703 iirc) to not rush votes as we're at mylo.

I get players finding self voting bad play/scummy, but NL is a viable/useful strategy...despite your seeming vehement dislike of it...and even more so at this point of this game, when a mislynch would lose town the game and a NL would shrink the player pool and give us a better chance on d5.

Again: if you're actually town, you should try to put your dislike of this or that strategy aside for the sake of your team and the game.

I know you know that and that you're not an idiot - which is exactly why I'm struggling to see why you're going on about pressure. Being put at L-2 at this juncture is plenty of pressure - and given the open nature of the game, claims mean nothing at this point.
I take an issue with a self-vote for sure, but it's not exactly out of character for town!GH so I'm not going to suddenly rush into voting for him just because you (my other longstanding scum read) tell me to.
As for NL, it's clearly the most sensible thing to do in the situation we're presented with. Scum or not, you've been playing in a very anti-town way today.

Actually, he has acted that way as town as well(on a few occasions when the game/it's players didn't play in ways he liked/agreed with), so dunno if it's AI.

(btw, make sure to read post 786, where I point out some more things/etc about Pookina/etc)

VOTE COUNT

GymHenson 2 - trentonlf (#728), Microfish_1 (#762)
No-Lynch 2 - GymHenson (#732), Catte (#742)

Not voting: Joppo, Pookina

With 6 players it takes 4 votes to achieve a lynch.

GymHenson and No-Lynch is closest to lynch at L-2.

Day 4 ends in a bit under 2 days.

You're probably correct, but I'm not going to so *shrug*

First off, thanks for saying I might be right on something and saying so civilly....I mean that.

That said, and whether you're town or scum, could you maybe promise me one thing? All I ask is that you don't do something like trying to throw the game because of how you feel about someone else's play or how the game is being played...fair enough?

(btw sorry if my play[such as my self voting] comes across as wrong/bad/irritating.....I truly felt there were likely no[or near to no] other options at that point, and wanted to do my best to help us win)

VOTE COUNT

GymHenson 2 - trentonlf (#728), Microfish_1 (#762)
No-Lynch 2 - GymHenson (#732), Catte (#742)

Not voting: Joppo, Pookina

With 6 players it takes 4 votes to achieve a lynch.

GymHenson and No-Lynch is closest to lynch at L-2.

Day 4 ends in approximately 1.5 days.