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dedoporno: The only "good" part about is that in this way Trent likely narrowed down the circle of suspicion on at least one of the scums.
True, but Trent seems(imo) to be a smart cookie, and we might have benefitted more from keeping him in the game.

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dedoporno: Now that we have some leads to look at I'm more open to skip a day as it's likely going to help filter the information we have, even if it's just a bit. That said, I more inclined to do it Tomorrow rather than Today, but now that we do have something to look at I'm open to it and we should do it before the clock for it runs out.
First off, thanks for giving me your input on this.

Also: Good points.....in fact it's one of my possible choices for d2(a nolynch vote)....gonna think a bit first, though.

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dedoporno: Not jumping on the leading wagon doesn't automatically mean one is not scum. We already said that it's likely one scum kept distance to remain clean. It could very well have been Joppo.
Possibly....which is why this is another of my options for d2(voting Joppo or some other player, of those not leaned any amount towards town by myself atm, and seeing what comes of it).

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(Bump Pleese)
HELL is doomed.
Nice bump Pooka. :)
(Also is dat a Doom Eternal reference I spy there? :D)
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Lifthrasil: So why didn't you, other than everyone else, vote?
Pooka(if scum) might not have wanted to join on Trent's wagon if another scum was on it already, unless need be.

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Lifthrasil: Also, your reaction to my post is quite interesting. "Don't be silly. You're better than this,..." That reads quite defensive.
Fwiw this also sounds like casting shade(by yourself onto Pooka, specifically).

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(Need another bump, if someone wants to help me out again. If not, no biggie, I can also wait :))
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GymHenson: (Also is dat a Doom Eternal reference I spy there? :D)
Shhhh, there's no doom game after doom 3. Well, outside of HELL anyway.
Thanks again...also Doom guy says hi :)
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Pookina: I was actually going to vote when I made my final post for the previous Day. "Wait, so 7PM UTC? That'll be like 9PM my time? Cool, when I leave work at 6PM, I can check the game on my phone or tablet and vot- wait wait wait trent self-hammered? Yuck, why did you do this trent?"
(underlining mine) My thoughts as well. :|

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Pookina: I'll admit it was my fault for not putting the chips on the table the day before when I had the chance. But whatever the outcome was going to be, I was determined to vote before deadline. I just never got the chance.
That's why a player should probably (just a humble suggestion) leave a "placeholder" vote(their most likely vote at the time) on someone when they have time to post....if they're going to be busy or possibly busy later on when time is scarce on a "day".

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Pookina: Mafia is just as much about the defense as it is about the offense.
That it can be.

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Aside to all: A few of Nmillar's recent posts(like 348) seem a bit LAMIST to me....anyone else think so?
Need any more bumps?
I wasn't going to impose any more, but thanks(re the bumps) Pooka. :)
(also note I replied to you above)
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ZFR: bucktooth and dedo and GH I feel Towny.
Someone feels i'm town for a change, and not scummy or undecided(but possibly scummy)? What a twizzzt!

(But really, why do you find each of us town, if you could oblige and answer)

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ZFR: nmillar and Micro are lurking, though as I said, I won't be voting anyone "to avoid a no-lynch" as long as we have a free NL we can make use of.
So since we have a NL, why not use it today(d2)? Or would you rather we hold back till later(d3 and on)?

If so, then why? Didn't you say it was best to do it asap?
Sorry for not being around today, lots of stuff to do and I'm knackered so this will likely be quick. Catching up.
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dedoporno: Sorry for not being around today, lots of stuff to do and I'm knackered so this will likely be quick. Catching up.
Hope you feel better soon.

To help out: I posted a reply to you in Post 361 above.
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nmillar: Actually, I'm with Lift on this one. I would include myself in a "scum is amongst these players" list, as without any undeniable proof, the rest of town should be considering me amongst the suspects.
I also would put myself in such a list but this (not yours in particular but Lift's original post towards Pooka) just sounds nitpicky for the sake of doing it.


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Lifthrasil: See the difference? Yes, if you asked me whom I suspect as scum, I wouldn't suspect myself. But if you asked me who voted trent, I would include myself in that group!
Aren't those two things different? You obviously would never suspect yourself as scum regardless of whether you are one or not but you can't escape the fact that you voted for Trent so this comparison seems a bit weird. Or I'm not following correctly.


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joppo: Sorry mates, I had an extremely tiring day yesterday (IRL) and felt sick on top of it, which is why when I got home I couldn't even reply to stuff I knew I had pending.
I hope you feel better now.

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joppo: I meant that in the sense that, opposed to you and the rest of the Trent voters, I didn't see much to think him scum. So in this scenario I believed in when I wrote that post scum!Trent hadn't fooled you but he fooled me enough that I wouldn't say he was scum when several others were more "certain" of it (as far as D1 certainty goes).
Of course this was all based on a wrong assumption to begin with.
The assumption that he has thrown the proverbial towel down as caught scum, correct? This is what annoys me - where did that assumption come from? Solely from the fact that Trent hammered himself? What about his closing words? Those made no sense in the context of him being scum so his alignment should have been still a question to you, who didn't think he was scum enough to vote. The self-hammer is scummy, OK, but there is no gain for Trent to go thespian like that and keep the façade just to mess with us (nor is he like that as a person/player but let's say you don't know him that well so you didn't know better).

This still looks weird to me and I feel you overdid it while trying to look surprised and not knowing what was about to happen.

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joppo: I see no leads towards Mafia or Town in either side, but props go to Dedo for not accepting that easy undeserved towncred.
I'm not taking that, either. Especially from you. Sorry not sorry.

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joppo: Lastly, I wanna point out that we're totally not looking at Nmillar and Micro. Lurkers are dangerous if Mafia. We'd better not forget about them.
That's a fair point. Nmillar seems to be back, sort of. I'm still waiting for Micro.


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joppo: So I did not vote him, as opposed to ZFR, Dedo, Nmillar, Gym, Korotan and Lift, who were not fooled at all. Except that all of this relied on an assumption of Trent being scum that crumbled like a tissue tower on a rainstorm when the flip came.
Not voting for Trent is one thing and completely fine in itself (even more so in hindsight). Patting the wagoneers (is that a even a word?! It is now, madafaka!!) on the back for catching scum where you failed in the way you did is a whole different story and that's the issue here. Let me ask you something else. You say you asked for a bump but got distracted and didn't use it. What were you going to say if you did make use of it?


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Microfish_1: I'm alive?
Were you expecting different?

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Microfish_1: The test went well, and came out inconclusive, so we're waiting on biopsies to show stuff (no tumors, but also nothing obvious anywhere). T
No news - good news. I'm still rooting for your dad!

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Microfish_1: the post right above me ZFR is voting joppo, which is...odd.
What do you find odd about it?


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GymHenson: Also: Good points.....in fact it's one of my possible choices for d2(a nolynch vote)....gonna think a bit first, though.
Right now I'm thinking we can hold off on that NL one more day.
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Microfish_1: @ZFR how many times can we NL if we hit scum toDay?
It's *never* good to NL, unless both of the following hold: (a) We can guarantee parity not changing Day to Day (i.e. exactly one NK - no Vigs, SK, Doctors, Blockers... etc) (b) the total number of players is even. As you can see these conditions can only be true once for the whole game (barring a major screw-up where players don't lynch on time). Whom we hit doesn't matter.

I've already said before: Since it can lessen the enjoyment of the game I won't push for NL. Not till MYLO. dedo and Lift already pointed out how it can be "anti-game" despite being pro-Town.

I won't oppose it: if the majority do want it, I'll happily vote it. From what I see though, we don't have the majority for it.

However if we do go that way can I ask we do it in the next day or two? Othewise, since for some strange reason catte gave us 8 days, as Lift said this will drag forever.

If not, let's not make it a topic. We can do it later - the mathematical advantage of doing it toDay is tiny.
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joppo: I meant that in the sense that, opposed to you and the rest of the Trent voters, I didn't see much to think him scum. So in this scenario I believed in when I wrote that post scum!Trent hadn't fooled you but he fooled me enough that I wouldn't say he was scum when several others were more "certain" of it (as far as D1 certainty goes).
Of course this was all based on a wrong assumption to begin with.
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dedoporno: The assumption that he has thrown the proverbial towel down as caught scum, correct? This is what annoys me - where did that assumption come from? Solely from the fact that Trent hammered himself? What about his closing words? Those made no sense in the context of him being scum so his alignment should have been still a question to you, who didn't think he was scum enough to vote. The self-hammer is scummy, OK, but there is no gain for Trent to go thespian like that and keep the façade just to mess with us (nor is he like that as a person/player but let's say you don't know him that well so you didn't know better).

This still looks weird to me and I feel you overdid it while trying to look surprised and not knowing what was about to happen.
That was exactly the problem: I really did not read the rest of Trent's post when I wrote that. My eyes saw bolded words and rushed exactly there. I read the self-hammer, started thinking of its implications and turned off from reading the rest of his post as I hit the New Post button. Only after I submitted it I noticed that the rest of what Trent wrote did not match my assumption that self-hammer = scum.
If you want I can do a search for self-hammers in previous games, but the ones I remember having seen since game #62 (first game I kept track of, I think) they were either jester-likes (Gogtrial did that in game 65 or 66) or fully scum. I had never seen a townie self-hammer before this game.

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joppo: So I did not vote him, as opposed to ZFR, Dedo, Nmillar, Gym, Korotan and Lift, who were not fooled at all. Except that all of this relied on an assumption of Trent being scum that crumbled like a tissue tower on a rainstorm when the flip came.
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dedoporno: Not voting for Trent is one thing and completely fine in itself (even more so in hindsight). Patting the wagoneers (is that a even a word?! It is now, madafaka!!) on the back for catching scum where you failed in the way you did is a whole different story and that's the issue here. Let me ask you something else. You say you asked for a bump but got distracted and didn't use it. What were you going to say if you did make use of it?
Something akin to "Uh-oh, now that I read the rest of Trent's post it doesn't make me think scum was caught after all. Looks like I jumped the gun."
It's essentially the same explanation I gave a few times already but I suppose it would be a lesser blow to my towncred if it came before Trent's flip, am I right?

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dedoporno: I hope you feel better now.
I had a much better day indeed, thank you.
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GymHenson: Aside to all: A few of Nmillar's recent posts(like 348) seem a bit LAMIST to me....anyone else think so?
Are you sure you want to head down that particular rabbit hole again? ;)

But yes, fair enough, I absolutely would say exactly the same thing as scum. Calling myself out for lurking would indeed be a smart scum move, but that implies I'm smart in the first place.

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JoeSapphire: okay cool. Do you think pooka is mafia?
No, I'll stick with my D1 suggestion of 2 from Micro, bucktoothgamer and ZFR for now.
I'm on a business trip again. I'll write something more tonight.
Votecount the Eighth - "No"

Microfish 1 - nmillar (#337)
Joppo 1 - ZFR (#359)

Not voting 8 - pookina, Microfish, bucktoothgamer, dedoporno, GymHenson, Lifthrasil, JaiSpohpere, joppo

With 10 players 6 votes are required for lunch.

Micro and Joppo are closest to lunch at L-5.

Please check your vote (or lack thereof) and make sure I have counted it correctly.