JoeSapphire: b - what roles disguise their target's alignment to a cop or make their target untargetable?
c - other than copproof (who is surely scum) or commuter (which was gogtrial who is dead) what protection is there against investigation? It's unusual for protection from night kill to also influence a cop read...
Carradice: This comes from someone who introduced very twisted versions of mafia roles that made veteran players trip and fall. In an open setup, even. People kept thinking that they were getting the well-trodden concepts they were familiar with.
Yes, this coming from that very person. I don't think it's unfair to expect you to consider these questions.
Perhaps instead of asking "what roles are there?" I should ask "why would such a role exist?"
so
b - would "you target someone and they will become copproof" exist as a role? The answer is yes that sounds unreliable but interesting. Would probably work better if the players knew that such a role could exist? Would pooka put one in his game? Perhaps...
c - would "you make yourself immune to investigation" exist as a role, without "and all other actions" as in the commuter? Yes that's copproof, it's a role only mafia would have which is a great reason to give it to a town player. lololol
alright I talked my way round to your side. I don't like how you deflected the questions with indignant criticism of my moderation, but I don't think that's particularly alignment indicative for Carradice.
Carradice: Not being a veteran, not pretending to know all the names of well-known, used-to-death, classic mafia roles, and above all, not knowing what scum have in their bag of tricks for this game, I will leave all the assumptions for others to make.
I see what I have done. I understood "general" here
Carradice: But to sum it up, it might be one of three general cases.
to mean something like common. But you use it in the context of non-specific. I understand your post better now that I see that.
JoeSapphire: I've not advanced much from my process of elimination. I'm torn on carradice. I feel he is town. I hadn't considered why until just now but I just thought - if he's scum where are his allies? Could be trent and microfish I suppose. Still I kinda have the impression carradice is drawing all the attention and that is being permitted to happen.
When I look at his general tone I think town. But his claim and this recent post of his are very troubling.
Still I'd rather catch a wolf and see how carradice looks after that, than go for carradice now. It's not as simple as that I know, but, that's my preference.
So I'd rather lynch someone from:
trent
dedo
lift
vitek
micro
yogsloth
I think trent or dedo has the best chance of being scum out of these.
I said I'd reread dedo and vitek didn't I? I haven't done. Reading is for neeeeerds
trentonlf: Why this list and why me and dedo specifically?
This list because I eliminated
zfr - his tone at the beginning of toDay. I think I had something more concrete to trust him on but maybe I didn't. I don't think scumzfr tunnels so hard on carradice
carradice - because I didn't have much reason to scumread him when he was getting lynched, and it made sense to me to look elsewhere while we had his uncontested cop claim
flockeschnee - based on her general conduct throughout the game
supplementscene - based on his start to toDay - I believed his smugness about town-reading SirP and gogtrial, and thought he was being fairly clear and logical at the begninning. Irrelevant now but I just wanted to be smug about my own read.
trent and dedo because I did a miniature process of elimination
- vitek I think makes a good amount of jokes and gentle humour while also providing some neat little bits of insight. It just occured to me that the fact I'm not suspicious of him should maybe make me suspicious but whatever. Shut up counter-brain no-one likes you.
- microfish, fairly typical microfish. I started by misunderstanding him and giving him scumlean, so he swings back in my perception as more of a town-lean. That's maybe illogical of me, but micro has a similar relaxed and jovial attitude as vitek, and I find it hard to associate it with scum. If they're on a team together that would be great.
- lifthrasil for the would-mean-he-was-working-to-convince-Joe-particularly thing.
- yogsloth because his tone doesn't feel particularly like scum yogsloth. I associate scum yogsloth with that hypnotic infectious enthusiastic energy. I just see vaguely-distracted participation and derps.
trent I have no reason to think is mafia or town. Maybe I saw him coming to microfish' defense which might indicate a teamship, but maybe not. But he is leftover. I can picture him choosing gogtrial to kill. And electing for a block-the-cop strategy, if that is indeed what we're seeing...
dedo I don't have a particular read on either, but he hasn't called me sexy in a while so maybe I'm just subconsciously reacting to that.
:p bleuh. that felt like a lot of work for so late at night. And it's probably just a load of nonsense
JoeSapphire: Still I'd rather catch a wolf and see how carradice looks after that, than go for carradice now. It's not as simple as that I know, but, that's my preference.
I think trent or dedo has the best chance of being scum out of these.
Vitek: What do you think lynch of any of those 2 would tell you about Carradice?
Well, if I got it right and they are mafia then we have more time to see how the carradice cop thing plays out.
Also if they're a mafia roleblocker then we can be sure to expect interesting things from how the carradice cop thing plays out.
We may even be able to find things in their reads and play that links them to carradice and helps us that way.
However if they're town then pap.
I'm going to bed, night kids x
--Warning, not safe for brain--
Also as I was writing this post I thought of a link which makes something make sense and makes me think I should pursue a particular course of action here, but seeing as usually when I get these "crystal clarity" moments I follow a course of action to my detriment and end up learning that I was totally wrong, so I am going to assume that the thing that would make things make a lot of sense does not exist and I will not pursue that course of action.
I'm saying this now so if it turns out I'm right we can all have a good lol about it after the game is done. I'm being vague about it all because it's not something that would help to be discussed and maybe would cause harm by drawing attention to it. Um. That's it thanks for reading.
