for good or ill, the following was my thought process on N2 tracking

Dude, is it really worded that poorly that you read it as me thinking Joe is scum?

[i]"Dedo and Joe are mostly cleared IMO. Can't remember strongly scummy thing I read from Joe, he was alternative for scum wagon and at night I was looking on old game where Joe was scum and he was much more opportunistic to jump on anything than he is here. ...
Joe will be 100 % if you flip scum."[/i]

It was originally posted in #1124 and reposted in #1156, the one you are responding to.

By the "100 %" I meant confirmed town and by "you" I meant you as it was originally response to your post before it evolved into full-fledged reads. It won't likely not happen now (you flipping scum) but the rest stands. So I don't know where you came with me considering him scum?
Was it you who claimed I town read him D1 when it wasn't true either?

Well it would be nice if you tracked him but more than that I wonder why you had Carradice off the list for voting D2 and had him as mostly leaning town.

I thought of Joe and did "something" ;). Anyway, why did you track me?

Why did you chose Lift?


Funny thing this. I explicitly made sure to use the word "assuming" in that very sentence because earlier Lift gave me hard time about a similar statement where I uses "considering" instead "of assuming". Talk about "no winning".

Certainly.

I don't. As you have seen I try to look at all possibilities I can think of, even when some of them are not exactly beneficial for me. Still, this annoyed me as you seemed to be "trying" to only consider the worst possible scenario here even though that's the most complicated one to stick together and the least likely one to happen. Just how Micro frustrated me by continuously not seeing something that was supposed to be clear enough and kept leaning on absurd accusation of role-fishing. Well, maybe Micro was a bit more annoying but I hope you get my meaning.

But I don't condemn considering options and angles in any way, on the contrary. I also don't mind being suspected, that's the game and everyone has their own point of view. I just dislike when someone decides to cling onto something that isn't the most logical possibility without a good reason.

To each their own. Feel free to see it however you see fit but that's how I play. I like to be as honest as possible when I can (regardless of alignment).

Pre-post edit: @Micro, I see Lift asked the same question about your choice of N1 but he apparently didn't do so about N2. Would you answer that as well?

I have to agree with that. #1157 left me with a general impression of a Town mindset.

+1, things are getting interesting as I'm starting to feel the scum are better hidden than I thought. I'm starting to second-guess which is always unnerving.

I'm curious what will Yog make of this.

Well they'd CLAIM to be hung up on the thing to appear town, but I don't see Flocke faking it.


Yogsloth - he's said a few times that he's pleased the mafia is doing well this game. Which appears to be true. Does he say that as mafia? I'd love it if he does, but ughhh I think he doesn't.


So what? Vitek's good look putting pressure on microfish doesn't look so good now. What were his early interactions with Carradice like? Who has energy to go do some research?

Oh what we've got less than a day till deadline? argh! microfish you claimed so late!!

What do you mean? He claimed fine (well, he did waste a few hours snoozing but I can't blame him for that). It could have been a lot worse and apparently we may have some extension however long that might be.

You said I am the only one!

the vaguest of skims has illuminated the difficultly in this question: what were vitek's early interactions with anyone?

I did find this post where carradice, some three hours from deadline and avoiding claiming, says his top town reads are SPF (town), Joe (town - but you'll have to trust me) and microfish (surely to heaven town)

Oh I see, reading it again I understand this is him explaining why he voted for lifthrasil.

when did he vote lift?

here when he is the leading wagon with 4 votes.

I think I give lift town points for this then.

And I give yogsloth scum points for this:

which comes shortly after carradice's vote.


ugh vote Yogsloth



but so much of this day has been wasted waiting around (we were sharing jokes! Argh!) and I've been expecting microfish' flip so much that I've not really devoted any time to considering other options. Now I find that I must aquerp everything??

It's my fault for getting complacent, but if microfish hadn't been so absent at the beginning of this Day we might have got to this point much sooner, and it wouldn't feel so stressful now.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_67_mamlakat_al_shams/post529

forgot the link for the carradice post I mentioned first.

I need to sleep, but I think I'd prefer a vitek lynch to yogsloth. If anybody fancies looking into vitek and carradice interaction it would be useful. I don't know how much time I'll have at work tomorrow to give to the game, and I'm having a friend round in the evening so that might be worse. I'll try to find time at work

Even more bashing on lurkers?? It's 2020 dammit. The nerve of some people...

Jokes aside, I'm getting slightly pissed at you as you're making me feel like I need to read stuff I already read once and I really don't like having to do that. And I was feeling quite comfortable, too. Fuck.

Let's leave the vanilla claim aside. What makes Yog so Town in your eyes? Sell it to me.

Not what I was expecting with Micro, but with the breadcrumbs I believe him and am moving him to my Town Core.


I'm not answering for Joe, but I will tell you why I think he leans more Town than scum. He hasn't charmed me into believing he's Town like he does when he's scum. I think he is more invested in the game as scum too. Not much to really go on, but when it comes to yogs there usually isn't much to go on. I will never put it past yogs to pull the wool over my eyes as he's done it so many times, and if he's doing it again this game I will never trust him again even if I was a Cop that got a Town read on him (I would just assume I was getting opposite reads).

Both micro and Flocke read as really townie.

Tough going, lol

Let me look back at micro's claim and how his targets line up

So, Day 1, A townie is lynched and micro is voting for ZFR... but tracks dedo?


His last couple of mentions of dedo before the Day ended:


Note that this is Day 1, not Day 2, so Carradice isn't about to flip.

I’m not actually sure how to read this. Is he scum reading dedo only if Carradice flips town? This should be after the cop claim, so he could conceivably be seeing things as a scum!dedo pushing to lynch towncop!carradice…

However, the guy he voted for – ZFR – placed a key vote on townie SPF. From his perspective, ZFR *should* still be
Day 2, a mafia is lynched, he's off-wagon voting for me... but tracks Lift?

That post from before EOD 2

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Does not compute

I’m staying

The more I think about it, the less sense it makes

Especially Night 2

Lift drove that carradice wagon... that wolf pelt belongs to him. There's almost no way Lift is scum at this point, and while I obviously haven't been reading the game super close, I doubt any Townie is really scum-reading him

If he's voting for me at EOD2... what possible leap of logic would cause him to track LIFT?

Nope.

I woke up this morning thinking

TRACKERS CAN BE MAFIA!!!


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but can they in a setting with a mafia rolecop and no town cop or town tracker? surely it can't be??


Yogsloth - do you think micro faked the breadcrumbs?