Did you read scum-chat? Your play (outing out 2 vanillas) helped Lonzi pick the Cop on N2. If Lozni's decision hadn't been overidden, we'd have lost.

I can even understand someone making bad plays for Town, but actually claiming those won the game...
GG. Enjoyed playing with you. If you change your mind, you're always welcome here.

@Joe: Thanks for running this game. Shame it's over so soon, as I loved the flavour!

@cristi: hope this'll be the start of you playing here more often again?

@lonzi: I was impressed by your play! I hope you enjoyed the playing, and we'll be seeing more of you? - pre-post edit: ah, just saw your post. Shame, but I think I can see where you're coming from. Still, I hope you'll maybe observe some future games and hopefully reconsider at some point. We tend to be a pretty okay group of people on average.

Last time around, the gogfather had some things to say about posting to QTs after the game is over, namely "Don't!"
Given the theme of this particular game, I really wouldn't risk it. :)

As random passer-by who have no agenda in this, I would like to say I always considered meta here is that people want to enjoy the game. Not act hostile, behave like they are superior to others and should be revered or even to aggravate people on purpose just to establish some basis for their own meta reads.

The game should be played to have fun. If one only plays to win and doesn't mind alienating everyone else they can't be surprised if people are unwilling to play with them in the future.

Thanks for hosting Joe, enjoyed this one. I normally get killed off early

I'm not sure why Mafia didn't just bus either Rager or Caradice there and try to get Joppo into the final play

I was happy to lynch you on Day 2 if not for Pooka shooting Liftrasil. Not because of the fake vig, which I think is kind of an okay strategy. But because you asked my exact role.

On Day 3 you started acting in Town's favour and digging for truth while Mafia gave up and imploded.

Mafia needed to go all in misslynching Laser on Day 3. Instead Carradis scumread myself and Laser, hoping to get either of us. If he went hard on Laser and buddied me and shaded Rager. While Rager went all in on Laser and also buddyed me. Meanwhile Joppo could of claimed he only wanted to lynch SPF and waited until Laser got to L1 to come and hammer.

Joppo also could of bussed Rager and Carradis before SPF to try and win out on a final day 3. But I suppose they thought with the strongarm dead all was lost. Agree with the idea that fake cop claim was the play over doctor conflict. Laser would have been an easy lynch and if he claimed he'd read me as town, he could of buddyed up to me.

Good Game everyone, nice playing with you all, even if everyone always reads me as scum

That's just it.....I wasn't trying to. This is how events occurred(from my pov):

You picked cadaver as NK earlier in N2, and asked if we agreed. I did agree a short while after that, then carradice seemingly went along with it.

To me, this is an agreed upon pick(in general) and should(to be fair) be honored....when you then changed it(while I was afk/offline) I felt as if you had unfairly overridden the choice we had agreed upon earlier and I overreacted.

I shouldn't have overreacted, but when a player wakes up after agreeing upon a first choice and sees a new choice has been made/attempted to be locked in after that(without re-voting or consensus, even).....I am guessing you can see why someone(like me) would see that as untoward?

That said, I am sorry for overreacting....you had a good call, and even though it went against our previously agreed pick I should've went with it or at least considered it. I am also sorry to hear you were soured on the games here.....you are a good player and it will be a shame to not have you playing with us in the future.
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Eh, seeing as the gogfather is more of a figurehead and the game OPs the ones in charge(and they seem to be ok with it)....eh, i'll risk it. Plus what will they do, make me double lose the game? o.0 ;)

(But in all seriousness: I have been doing it since my earliest game[iirc] with no issues. Also most of it is just replying to old posts anyways, not changing anything from older posts, so the old game QT stuff is preserved.)

They couldn't bus me else they'd have lost the PR, and I wasn't good enough at that point(didn't have a good claim ready, etc) to try bussing carradice(plus I didn't know if it would work and went with the other route).

The others(iirc) didn't want to shade other scum too much or at all.....I wasn't on board with that much, but I believe they were and it affected their choices in that regard.

I really enjoyed these!

That's fair. I was pretty sleep deprived and in a huge rush so I wasn't being very sensitive about how I changed the kill, that's my bad.

It is a pity you're considering not playing more with us, but like ZFR I hope you'll reconsider in the future. For what is worth it I think you were the best player in this game (followed by a tough choice on Cadaver and ZFR as the best for Town). Despite being scum you were the least suspected player, your PR search was as precise as it could be and your NK picks were the best possible given what was known at the time.

It is unfortunate that RL robbed you of what was probably going to be a topnotch victory if you had time to convince GR. I had a very high standard to follow up to when I subbed you :)

If I may say a word in favor of GR he really means well and I'm sure he's sincere in his apology. Please don't take this one bad experience too harshly. I hope I can play with you again in the future.

Woo, go town!

Thanks for hosting, the flavour was excellent!
Yeah, I'm not a fan either. If Laser continues with this to try and normalise this behaviour, I will continue to vote for him.

Well that was very generous of you. GOG's sale is just on time too.
A theme for a future game perhaps?

You did well in the short time you had. If you'd claimed cop and implicated Laser you would have tricked me for sure though and I would have accepted Cristi being Laser's scumbuddy easily. Honestly, Laser's D1-2 behaviour would have been the end of us if you'd been able to correctly exploit it. I thought your reads/claim post was well written and although I privately suspected you as mafia because of the long night thing, I was coming around to townreading you until the claim made me spit my tea everywhere.

Was there anything to my long night theory by the way?
That too. I will continue to vote for people for doing these kinds of things in order to discourage it. If it ends up town on town as it was in this game and costs us the game then so be it. It could easily have cost us the game this time if the scum had correctly exploited it. I would absolutely have believed Laser and Cristi being scumbuddies if a fake cop had shown up and confirmed what I thought I knew.

I assume you're claiming the Hotel Stanley as a win? I'm fairly certain we wouldn't have won quite as effortlessly if at all if you had stayed...
Damn! Oh well, I was right for completely the wrong reasons. I was disappointed that someone thought I was saying Lonzi dropped out because of the stress of being mafia (I think it was Pooka?).
Nice one. Those points have a cash value of £0.005 or you can exchange 200 of them for a backhanded compliment.
These tracks have been removed. :(
Oof, yeah. The NK should always be a shared decision.

Well played by the way, I didn't suspect you at all while you were still you!

<3

Play with us again, I miss you!

General thoughts:

I think the game was still winnable for the mafia even after missing out on counterclaiming Cristi and even after Cristi's result reveals.

If GR and Carradice had been a bit quicker on the uptake they might have got us to lynch Laser the following day.

They failed the understand the implications of the results, that they couldn't both be town. They should both have immediately gone "well I know I'm town, so he must be scum".

What they did instead was a bit like if I'd seen Joppo's claim and gone "Well I guess he could be the real doc, I just don't know...".

If they'd got us to lynch Carradice then GR would have been able to kill Cristi and there would have been a chance of us lynching Laser (or me) the next day.

But it became pretty obvious you were buddies by your reluctance to bus one another, I think that was a bigger misstep than Joppo claiming doc instead of cop or anything else.