Repeating Myself Time!

Or in other words:

Microfish hasn't appeared in the last 24 hours and is now sitting at L-3 (two votes)
Scene is more active and before I voted him, he was sitting on L-4 (one vote).

Both worry me. Were it up to me, I'd vote for both. But since scene was sitting at only one vote, I added my vote on him.

That's...literally it.

Could you answer the two questions I asked you in #776?

Vote Count

(When you see a vote count please quickly make sure your vote is against the correct player. Let me know if it's not)

Microfish 2 - Joe, scene
scene 2 - Microfish, Pooka
Joe 1 - Bookwyrm
flub 1 - trent

Everyone else - 0
Not voting: flub, gogtrial, dedo

9 players. Takes 5 to lynch.

Sorry guys meant to do a bigger read but had a few business crisis pop up this week. Fair enough. Do you currently have any suspicions of any other players? Specifically what do you think of JoeSapphire?

1. I'd have to because we get some info from the lynch. There were quite a few reasons for the lynch other than the roleblocker. Gogtrials point about Gamerager not interracting with SPF made me believe Gamerager was less likely to flip Mafia, while I hoped he would.

2. I won't give that list just yet but nearer deadline for several reasons. But I've obviously revealed my suspicion of towards JoeSapphire and Microfish.

Fair enough, though please be explicit about those reasons when you do share the list.

Can you, however, already share how you currently read me, and in particular what made your read of me change from being your top-scum pick yesterday? (As in, did others jump ahead, or did you see something town about me, and if so, what was that?)

Vote Scene

I am unsatisfied.

Personally, (and I just got here, haven't read the backlog yet) that his vote on me is largely because I have heavily focused on him. i believe his is scum, and as scum, he wants me out of the way; in the slim chance that he might be town, he's tired of me attacking him.

Any of those reasons you remember in particular for me to check up on?

Did dedo go down, or did Pooka go up between these two posts? Why?

As an aside here for those who weren't there: mafia!scene claimed doctor in #55 (which was C9++ "with a twist"), and wasn't able to answer the question if he could self-protect at that point.

Does this imply that you still town-read scene as in #547? Have you seen any town-signs from him since then which you could share?

Most likely: scene is lone mafia, GR successfully RBed without scene being able to do anything about it. We lynch scene, we win. Scene must be lone mafia in this scenario, otherwise the other one would've performed the kill. Letting the goon SPF do the kill on N1 while he sits pretty also makes sense.
Less likely given knowledge of the game state, but still quite possible in the overall scheme of things: a Doctor or other roleblocker prevented the kill; we'll mislynch scene unless this other person steps forward (which a 1-shot roleblocker might do, just in order to corroborate the existence of a roleblocker, and share the info that if scene is a mislynch, then his target would be a very probable correct lynch instead).
Theoretically possible but unlikely: mafia held their kill in order to get scene and probably then also GR mislynched.

Ah.

That took a moment for the implication of your question to sink in. Hrm, but that means we're dealing with... It explains...

No, wait. Clarify the original question please?

Meanwhile, here's my current list, in order (working out which side is which is left as an exercise for the reader):
* scene: I am concluding that his "5%" was too wilfully ignoring the posts where it had been pointed out that it was 30%, and that he's banking on his usual playstyle and lack of reading providing cover for this. His "If you can direct me otherwise I'll look at my vote again" and then not doing so screams scum to me. Plus everything else. My one point of hesitation is SPF's behaviour toward him, but hell, that might've been coaching after all.
* flub: As I wrote in a roundup post yesterDay, he was far too instrumental in both blotunga and GameRager's wagons, and he not usually that wrong. I'd "cleared" him to myself yesterDay based on SPF's lack of meaningful posts directed toward him, but am putting less trust in that now.
* Joe: My main case against him was that I'd cleared everyone else, leaving him as the one remaining player without a town read. I'm still quite hesitant about him. I like how he remembered why he first thought that Pooka was trustworthy, though that's tempered by the questioning which led to it.
* dedo: How much do I trust a fading moment of clarity where I was completely convinced that I'd recognized scum? I really like the effort put into #778, and that he did that wagon analysis at the exact moment that I myself was starting in on it myself. Tiny voice in the back of my mind wondering if it's meaningful that this sign of effort came after I suspected him? Probably not - I'm not that important in the whole of things.
* microfish: I like that - and how - he suspected me. SPF didn't interact with him at all. He might move above dedo, though, and maybe even above Joe, as I find my reasoning about him pretty thin.
* bookwyrm: I'll keep suspecting him in the back of my mind until the very end, but I'll trust that there's too many experienced players reading him as town for them all to be his buddies.
* trent: He's a very strong mafia player, but I really don't see him being anything other than town.
* Pooka: He put in a significant amount of early effort trying to solve the game; I particularly like his roundup posts on the interactions between me and scene ( #279 and #282), but that wasn't the only time I remember him going above and beyond. He currently seems to be flaundering a bit, but I recognize that from myself in my first few games. As with dedo, I'm a sucker for seeing people doing a lot of work as town, but if he did this that early as scum (without any scum buddy since then pointing it out in order to give him town points), he deserves to win. I'm nearly at the point of suspecting those who don't townread him (Bookwyrm). Also, SPF didn't interact with him.
* gogtrial: That's me. Once again universally town-read, and not even Joe is questioning it. (I was still holding out hope for scene being the lone exception, but it seems he's not willing to share just yet, and of course now that I've put him at the top of my list, and might achieve the coveted 4th position on his wagon (L-1... should I?), chances are that he will be...)

1) Joke/sarcastic OMGUS, my vote was quickly removed as soon as someone else gave reason for me to vote them. It was a poke to see your reaction.
2) Lift hisself said [para] "NEVER LIE! ONLY SCUM HAVE A REASON TO LIE! VOTE ALL LIARS!"[/para] I took this into account when GR couldn't provide the evidence to back up his claims.
4) It was a mild question seeking opinions. Nice observations, and I think i would agree that no scum would advocate for not killing a town PR.
4b) You should, if you haven't already as I write this.
5) Thank you for remembering this. Sadly, 'tis true.

1. Eh, he says he didn't.
Thank you for the recap & clarification. I had forgotten when I was half-asleep writing the post you quoted.

It was a joke. I'm sorry you didn't pick up on it.

This.

Sadly, I've only played with Pooka as L, never as H. Thus, I can't really answer. We ran around in circles, and I played horribly. However, FWIW, he seems like he is playing similarly--if far less active--then he did in the 3-week SH game. I think. Enough that I read him as town.

Why do you trust Scene so much? As I illustrated earlier, his logic is leading him to erroneous conclusions. The logic train just doesn't make it. Or, he's scum and desperately trying to get a townie executed. I can see zero other alternatives.

Why base you trust of blot off of "I just do?" Are you masons together? (If you are scum, please trip up and blurt it out. That would be extremely helpful, kind, and the jolly-good right thing to do. Thanks.)

FWIW, when I don't have solid suspicions, I try to just nose around calmly and inoffensively, gathering data from the on-deck circle. I only step up to the plate when I have what I feel are solid evidences or suspicions.

@Pooka, when I was F, if you recall, I was attacking Zeo (I also have a hard time seeing him as a sheep, but whatever) from the get-go. I was swinging from the very start, trying to sow confusion in discord. This time I didn't bother voting until #305. i didn't even vocalize suspicions until #204. How can you see this as being scum!me when it is so different from "try to confuse everyone with wild claims from the very start!Micro"? You know better. You know you know better. So does scene, if he wasn't scum. In fact, I think *ANYONE* from that game would notice the difference.

1) Why "amuse"? this seems like an odd word. Sadden--that we took the wrong guy to lunch is one thing. Joy that all town survived is another. Why "amuse"?
I hope life is better soon. You could always ask for a sub for that? :O

Other stuff, which I will huh. at, but not enough to comment on with "unique" comments.

Huh.