You, sir, are broken. 100% borked. I'll put you out of your misery.

*Shoots agent in the head*

Set ¥ = √(1749/0). Then 11% of z /in /N => π = ∅...

Oh, right:

[bFoS: A_Future_Pilot
Fos: dedoporno

dedoporno is one of the ones who always pings my scumdar, though. So, take with a grain of salt, ymmv.

I don't really think I've been trying to push zeo's wagon at all. I simply made a move early game to see what would unfold, and what unfolded was retaliatory fear and zeo pushing my wagon very very hard. To me, this is scum behavior. Had he responded to my vote and comments reasonably and differently altogether it would have gone differently, but his reactive and continuing behavior seems rather scummy to me. He didn't try to address me or calm my worries that he might be scum, he acted scummy. It is hard for me to say whether this is noob behavior or scum behavior, as I've said repeatedly, but my inclination is that it is noob-scum behavior. He's played a lot of Town of Salem, and while I recognize that operates differently than forum mafia, I am still inclined to think he knows a bit more than he appears to know, and with that perspective, I still think it is quite possible he is scum.

However, what makes me most uncomfortable at this point is seeing how quickly his wagon has rolled to L-2 on D1.

I don't see many other's reasoning for voting him. I know mine was to judge reaction and evaluate zeo's and other's responses. Bookwyrm, lifthrasil, and JMich actually seem a bit more scummy to me right now than zeo, but zeo is a very very close 2nd/3rd/4th choice for me depending on the angle I take. Could it be that wyrm and JMich think zeo's behavior has inevitably doomed him and so are voting their scum-buddy to distance themselves? I think it is possibly true for either, and find it more likely that only 1 would push the wagon of a scum-buddy, not 2 (2 makes it wayyyy more likely that the wagon will roll to lynch, and I don't think either of them are dumb enough to do that. With that thinking, JMich becomes wayyy less suspicious, and book becomes more [if you add the other behaviors of book to this point.])

zeo has claimed vanilla town. he has voted no-lynch. I'm really unsure what to make of all that. He is quite new to forum mafia, but I think he knows the lack of value of a D1 no-lynch, and so that could either be a noob mistake or a scum-ploy. It is very hard to tell. I am becoming more uncomfortable with his lynch as the wagon has grown so fast, but I don't discount him as scum because of it.

Right now the only 2 people I'm comfortable voting are Bookwyrm and zeo. I recognize that if I switch my vote to book, that that action combined with my quick vote+unvote of kryps and kryps vote on book might look to some like kryps and I are scum-buddies, which we are not. I admit my vote of kryps was very premature and not very town, and I apologize for that, As I said, I was just trying to get the game rolling and not stuck in a stale D1. I should have known that vote on him wouldn't have garnered much of a reaction and therefore was useless and I should have saved my first vote for someone I thought I could read a reaction and any possible wagon forming that accumulated after it (whether mine or theirs.) Also, I find it unlikely at this point that book's wagon will garner any speed and probably not be very useful.

If zeo is town, I wouldn't find it surprising at all that 3 scum are on his wagon right now. Who would they be out of the 4? Well, obviously, in my view, bookwyrm. Then any of the other 3 are valid possibilities in my view. Dessimu came off scummy pretty early for a couple reasons, JMich's quickness to vote puts me off a little, flub's vanilla icon is off-putting.

What do others think? With all of what I said, who would be comfortable voting bookwyrm D1? I'm very tempted to move my vote to him as regardless of zeo being scum or town, book reads scum to me, but I don't see value in drawing D1 out very long, things just become too convoluted with that.

*refresh*

kryps what is FOS? feeling of scum?

I think you are going to need a new girdle. I think the other one from that ogre might be called for here. Piercing resistance could have done wonders for you just now.

Finger of Suspicion. But your version works too.

oh right, derrrrr.

also, please, get your bold tag usage under control. the more you misuse it the more I feel you are setting precedent for you misusing it rather than them actually being mistakes and I view that as scummy (or that you are setting yourself up for future games when you are scum.)

I believe I did provide my reasoning for voting Zeogold, though I suppose I didn't elaborate expansively. Did you have any specific questions about it?

Also, what, pray tell, are these other behaviors of mine of which you speak?

Totally.

No, I don't like hard claiming on D1 at all. Unless someone is pushed to it by being the target of a large and fast train...
But what I don't like either is putting someone on L-1 while we're still in the RVS phase. Are you trying to tempt scum to speedhammer? Or are you scum yourself? In any case this makes you more suspicious than flubb (who, as he pointed out, is mostly being himself).

unvote flubbucket

vote Bookwyrm



If you want to change your vote, zeo, you'll have to unvote first!

just a couple small things about your behavior, really, again, nothing damning enough for me to move my vote at this point.

voting me for un-voting kryps and your non-explanation (these are minor and attributable to RVS and trying to gauge my reactions, it just depends on the view I take), and your reasoning behind your vote on zeo. but to make sure I understand that correctly: You believe he is town and you're willing to accept his sacrifice? I don't quite follow I think and so a little elaboration/clarification would be nice.

If zeo does happen to get lynched and flips vanilla town, you become more solid as scum to me than you seem right now. This is why I'm comfortable with zeo above you, he seems scummy first and foremost, and then there's value in his wagon if he is not and if he is (though it's slightly a problem because I'm unfamiliar with his style), and for this setup I think a quicker lynch as opposed to a long drawn out D1 is reasonable, just to see where things are at.

what is also a little off-putting is krypsyn's behavior. I think he'd be all about lynching fast on D1 yet he's not joined the fastest forming wagon. is it because he doesn't want to jump on his scum-buddy's wagon and lead to his death D1? quite possible

why does bookwyrm seem to you as a good choice, kryps?

errrm, no:

Rule 5

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Did I miss anything in my recap?

T'is actually a deep insight with lots of points. I myself was uncomfortable to prematurely vote for anyone as I had no possible reasons to give along the vote. But the moment when Zeogold so openly asked Bookwyrm to vote for you, that felt scummy. Or at the very least, suspicious. For a town person that is hard to define to be either a bold or a brave move. So again, suspicious.

I got even more frustrated when talking to Zeogold further. Especially by his further pushing to vote for Drealmer (well, you). The rum part was fun, made the game somewhat fun for me. All that Zeogold said further, sounds a lot like him honestly wanting to remain in the game and being very frustrated about the wagon. But just as well I would expect scum to try and save himself.

All in all, I don't know what to think. Zeogold looks suspicious for me and I have facts why. So my vote stays.


As for the others, Krypsyn looks like a madman, posting strange signs and youtube videos. Reminds me of Nutty Stefan from The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing. But just as well could be scum, trying to put everyone off. Bookwyrm seems too much into rules as if fishing for scum? For townies? I haven't made my mind about that yet, but the behavior is strange. What did grab my attention, is the lack of involvement from Leonard. One accusation and that's that. Again, I have pretty much nothing else to base my opinion upon this matter. Other players so far seem to change votes from one person to another. But no clearly visible reasons.

So that's that. I enjoyed reading an insight and it's nice to give my own.

Who was pushed to claiming? Zeo was at L-2 when he claimed, and is counting his vote.

Between his self vote and his claim, I moved out of RVS with my vote on him. I'd also like to note that my vote hasn't pushed him or anyone to L-1 yet. Why would you draw that comparison?

I spy, with my little eye, someone else who should reread the rules. Specifically Rule 5. ;)