Not quite - I don't recall ever teasing that I was an alignment cop. If anything I think I've been pretty consistently clear that I was not. At times I haven't even been certain if there's one in the game. Whether I think there is one now is mostly irrelevant atm.

I do have a theory about your race, however. With CSP claiming as orc, I'm a bit suspicious that you are a troll. Not that race is an indicator of scum/town, but I'd bet a nickel you're a troll. If I'm wrong and you can find a game on gog for $0.05 I'll redeem it for you! Otherwise I really have no idea how to explain the troll poop thing. I think it's pretty safe to say that.

More importantly, I'll note that you didn't say anything about voting/no lynching one way or the other. Given the relative infrequency of your posts and the looming deadline that seems more than a bit odd.

I'm starting to get an itching concern that the setup was 9-2-2. The only missing thing there is the lack of a 2nd NK, but there are ways to explain that. 10-3 just wouldn't seem balanced with a town having quite so many roles.

My hunch is that if the Lift wagon is going to leave the station it's going to require dedo and hijack getting on. QA looks inclined to evade the matter entirely, and JMich has dug heels in on no lynch.

And considering CSP hasn't been bothered to vote for anyone all game, it's probably a bit much to hope that he's going to suddenly jump on and vote for himself.

I will join I guess, even though I have to say I prefer CSPVG.

I could be persuaded since I think they're both scum, though we'd need Wyrm and Leon to move over as well else we're just splitting the vote and forcing a no-lynch.

I would prefer CSPVG too and it looks as though I should claim now, because I'm at L-2 and if dedo hops on, scum can easily hammer me. So I won't wait till I'm at L-1, especially since I have to be away this evening.

Unfortunately claiming will make me a big target and possibly make my role useless. But what the hell: I am a town vigilante. All stats are a well balanced 5, if any stat cop wants to check. Unfortunately I have only one shot and up to now I was never sure enough about someones scumminess to use that shot. Now that scum knows I am a vigilante I will probably not have long to use that one shot ... and I am still not really sure who to use it on. After all I have been wrong about adalia and trent.

Actually I would like to have your collective input on that: should I use the shot tonight and yes, then on whom? Difficult situation. We can't even get a lynch on a real scum target. So what to do with a possible second town kill? If I kill someone tonight and I err (again), the game is over for town. If you lynch me, it will be another mislynch and scum will probably win too. If you don't lynch me and I don't use the shot, scum will probably nightkill me. Of course WIFOM sets in there, since we still have a kind of doctor in play and they also could let me live and try to pain me as scum again tomorrow, with the argument 'he is still alive, he must be scum!'.

I will try to look in before end of the day. But I can't guarantee when I will be home again. But should I survive into the night, I will in any case read your suggestions about what to do with that one shot.

With a risk to be accused yet again that I'm protecting Lifth I do kind of prefer CSPVG and here is why. There is little doubt that his role claim is true but the role doesn't automatically suggest Town. As a matter of fact (at least in my experience) such roles are actually on the scum side. What do stats mean anyway? Not that much unless they are shifted towards a specific stat. CSPVG found such a stat on his very first investigation (or so he says). Tremendous amount of strength versus pretty low intelligence/charisma stats. Along with the RW being squashed by a boulder even CSPVG said he instantly suspected HijacK. Well, why not yell bloody murder right then and there? I know I would have. What's the point of keeping quiet and hiding this power? It's not like it's the very best ability we have around. Even if that was true one would expect for the person that has reasons to suspect another and doesn't want to come out right away to at least try and bait the suspect into slipping, lying, contradicting the investigation, etc. I was unable to find such actions.

Actually CSPVG listed HijacK as one of his scum picks like this:

This doesn't even hint to suspicion based on the claimed investigation result.

Scum vig shot? Isn't that too much? I mean, the scum part I can buy, but scum vig? Not really.

Also

the bolded part should read "usually".

I'm sorry for rushing guys, but this may be the last opportunity to post before the deadline since I'm going to my Calc class (I originally wrote "girl" instead of "calc"... when you have a passion you have a passion) pretty soon and that overlaps with the deadline.

In any case, I only skimmed through the last 2 pages (you guys write so much) and I need to do a proper read of them, but frankly I don't think the points I'm going to make are much related to what was said.

As far as my top scum suspects I would probably include Lift and Leonard. Leonard mostly because of the fact he's playing different and Lift because of the convoluted information around him.

There's no confirmation of a doctor even at this point. He pushed hard for the lynches of the previous days, all of which mislynches. Interactions with many players are sketchy at best. I dislike, as dedo calls it, piggy backing, but JMich made a very good point that made me consider Lift's behavior more. It's not even a feeling. He is acting a bit differently. It's also interesting that outside a doctor action he claimed was cast on him not much else happened. Am I the only one who sees this? Surely some investigative roles must have seen this. Right?

In any case, with all the information or maybe misinformation going on about Lift I feel his flip will at least confirm some things to help us do better judgement in the coming day, unless of course he lied like trent. Hopefully not.

Vote Lift

I will check later if anyone hammered and the lynch went through. Laptop is at 5% battery.

You can believe Lift is town vig, or Lift is scum vig, or Lift is lying scum something-else. I don't think we've had any claims of someone having searched him, so we don't have a good way to tell, beyond he doesn't seem to have done anything yet.

Maybe there are only 3 scum. It has already been asked: with all of the other roles floating around, what do scum have? This might justify multiple town investigative roles along with multiple town protective roles (bodyguard and roleblocker confirmed, extra protection possible).

I've decided to take a flying leap off the "Bler is Town" cliff, and I'm really hoping there aren't sharp rocks at the bottom (aka, he's right and not scum after all).

Interesting claim.

I still think you're more dangerous to town than CSP. And if you're telling true about role (which I actually assume you are) you're even much more dangerous. Even if you're town, as you note, if you misfire you probably seal the deal.

If you're scum you've bought cover from everything except an alignment read, which may or may not be in the game, and may or may not be town.

Your play actually makes me even more suspicious we're looking at a 9-2-2. It would explain why you would be willing to sacrifice CSP.

Two teams would explain why Cristi (N0) and flub (n2) were killed by blades, and RW (N1) was killed by a rock. One team has odd nights, the other gets even.

Both have cover based on a mix of normally-towny roles they have. Even dedo here is suggesting that it's crazy to have a scum vig shot. Not if it's there to use as cover on the nights you don't have a scheduled scum kill, then no, it's not crazy.

IIRC you also started the game 'convinced' you would be an early NK (though I don't have adalia's script her and can't search for it right now), and yet despite that you say on your Vig shot, even after proclaiming that if Trent was town dedo was not.

Wtf do you mean "even dedo"?? :D:D:D

Sorry, poor phrasing. I meant something along the lines of "Case in point" as while I was typing you were making the exact defense I was talking about - scum vig makes a ton of sense to me in this particular game precisely because it's good cover against a strong town team.

Note, there don't even have to be two scum teams for scum vig to fit nicely. Imagine instead it's a straight 3 person scum team with 1 cop and 2 others, each of whom has an odd or even night kill, plus something else. To balance out the roles town has, you give scum a role that stands up to first pass review.

If, as an example, Lift is odd and JMich (or Leonard, if one prefers) is even, and the tracker visits on an even night, he sees nothing. If a role cop visits, he's sees a vig and tends to assume town. If he gets FoS in some other fashion he can potentially bust out his vig shot as proof - "See! there was a separate NK! I'm innocent." Which I'm pretty sure is what he's going for tonight.

But I'm still leaning toward two scum teams. Can't prove it, but theory is
CSP/Lift and
JMich/QA.

As noted, QA's pack was covered in troll droppings, and my PM noted it appeared to be hidden. While his role itself doesn't scream "scum" I'm thinking that might just be the point. In case I turn up dead, there is something else mildly telling about him as well, besides all the lurking.

The one thing I am absolutely convinced of is that both CSP and Lift will flip scum, and that of the two Lift is the more dangerous.

Uhh...if one scum team has a vig shot, what does the other have in their pocket? One side got an extra kill, while the other got an investigative role?

That would certainly make for an interesting cycle between them though, when only one can normally snipe during the night. Town gets low enough, and then scum start trading fire, first one to miss loses?

However, two scum teams would work well with "a party of misfits, heroes, and ne’er-do-wells". I can't help but wonder just how many things Yog bread crumbed with flavor.

I've noticed a few, like this gem at daybreak of D2:

At one point, bler144 gave Quadralien a bit of a shove. “You stink!” he growled, “Step back a little, will you?”

“I stink?” answered Quadralien, furiously. “Are you insinuating there is possibly some degree of stink differentiable from the background stench that I could possess? I should like to know how THAT’S possible!”

But that said, I'm at least a bit skeptical the whole game can be explained through flavor posts. Is there something to your exchange with Hijack about carry duty that same morning?

If you were to scan all of Yog's posts would you find something that would allow you to predict the overall pattern? Possible, I guess.

So no CSPVG? OK, I guess.

I believe he is on the brink right now. We are now nearing the deadline so if there won't be anything I can hammer.