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bler144: I would have given Sage points for #120. It starts with fluff but does engage CSP and JMich as it progresses.

I mean, she distinctly said "scum points for you" which is a firmer accusation than anything I recall saying myself.
Good call. And this is exactly the sort of thing the lurker post check is supposed to facilitate.
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JMich: I would like to point out that in the previous game, while I was town, I needed the serial killer to survive, and I was also dead relatively soon. In the one previous to that, I was scum, so my analysis would obviously be biased.
Now, do you really expect me to believe that we do not have people capable of wagon analysis in the group? Or do you want us to believe that no data is better than data, like trentonlf was going that no claim is better than a claim? Misguided beliefs or deflection attempt?
Damn phone ate my post.

I think this supports my theory really. You could have provided useful analysis but didn't because it didn't suit your purposes to. No one else did either and so very little info was gained. Properly analysed I think a random lynch could provide as much info as any other. Or, as seems to more often be the case, whatever happens and whoever is lynched no one will analyse it and no info will be gained.

*sigh* I'm sure my original post was much more eloquent...
And again! Teach me to post from my phone somewhere with poor wifi...
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JMich: Now, do you really expect me to believe that we do not have people capable of wagon analysis in the group? Or do you want us to believe that no data is better than data, like trentonlf was going that no claim is better than a claim? Misguided beliefs or deflection attempt?
Some data is better than no data. Agree. How much value is up for debate.

While relatively new my sense is that analysis of last game was clouded by having a third faction, and it seemed most of us, certainly myself included were doing an analysis that was more 'binary' in nature.

E.g. you looked town in part because dedo was firmly on your wagon and he flipped scum on N1, but you were, as it turns out, not exactly town. Or maybe you were. I'm still a bit confused on what the hell your role was. ;)
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adaliabooks: And again! Teach me to post from my phone somewhere with poor wifi...
Android, Firefox, Lazarus.
...No, I'm no good at Day 1 either. And I'm getting the suspicion that despite reading it I'm still not quite ready to comment on the whole of the third page...

I'm not terribly sure about the idea of which players we'd instinctively think of as scum (I could say something about trying to remove such biases, but I don't think I manage it), but then I suppose that's the entire point of a Random Voting Stage, isn't it? Have everyone put a vote on someone they think is scum and then work out an actual approach from there... There's a thought for a separate game start - have everyone place their initial vote beforehand and display them only once all of them are in. Then again, that could result in the unlikely surprising scenario of a lynch being reached before anyone's managed to talk...

Sorry, I'm rambling. In any case, my instincts would be JMich because I can never get a decent read on him - I was still suspecting him slightly during the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game even when purely logically I had enough information to believe he had had one of the powers on the first day.

I'm tempted to say Flub as well, but I'm fairly certain that's just because I can't remember the last game where he wasn't up to no good in some respect. I'm trying to think of another most instinctively suspicious player, but I'm always coming to the unfortunate conclusion "...Damn. It's me, isn't it?" :P

That said, I don't believe I've played with a number of the players here, so thus I would like to propose an alternative question to CSPVG: if, hypothetically, you were scum, which of the players in the game would you like as scumbuddies?
A couple things guys. Due to a change in buying train tickets out of town friend will be here until Monday, so I will still be a little lurky.
Second: what's the big push against lurkers? Ok, if it comes down to a deadline and we have nothing then that is as good as anything to go on but this early? That's crazy.
Third: why is nobody talking about yogs post above? Is he telling us there are only two scum, or just kidding around? I'm tending to think he is actually telling us there is only two scum. If not he is just muddying the waters, which he seemed against in earlier games. Therefore what else is going on? Yogs stated last game he disliked role madness, so that seems unlikely. Only two scum is unbalanced, unless that are super strong, maybe bulletproof, ninja, godfathers?
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Leonard03: Yogs stated last game he disliked role madness, so that seems unlikely. Only two scum is unbalanced, unless that are super strong, maybe bulletproof, ninja, godfathers?
The werewolf game was similar to that, but to my knowledge the werewolves were not overpowered. Most people were vanilla, while there was one cop and 2 scum.
Sorry. Very Busy day. I will do something today that I don't like myself, but I'm forced to do it due to RL: I'll postpone the reading of this thread to tomorrow. Sorry.

But for now, since we seem to be moving out of RVS:

unvote bler144

See you tomorrow!
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dedoporno: .......<snip>..........

Do you have a suggestion on who the [un]lucky scapegoat should be? Let me guess - not you!

.......<snip>..........
Me neither.

But my reason is I don't want to be in the dead thread with yogsloth...=)
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Leonard03: Yogs stated last game he disliked role madness, so that seems unlikely. Only two scum is unbalanced, unless that are super strong, maybe bulletproof, ninja, godfathers?
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HijacK: The werewolf game was similar to that, but to my knowledge the werewolves were not overpowered. Most people were vanilla, while there was one cop and 2 scum.
How many players were in that one though?

@Leonard
It is entirely possible yogs is double bluffing and had revealed the number of scum present, but two seems a pretty impossible ask unless they are really overpowered or there is a dangerous third party. Five similarly so but in the opposite direction.
While the game may or may not be role madness, he asked cristi to have a look over it for balance, which suggests it's certainly not a plain jane no roles or one or two basic roles game (like the werewolf one)
So the question is really how much can you believe what he's said, particularly considering he contradicted himself in the same post, so which bit do you believe?
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flubbucket: But my reason is I don't want to be in the dead thread with yogsloth...=)
I don't know, the party's pretty live up in here. Cristi made her world-famous "special" brownies, HSL has been dancing around with a lampshade on his head, and the rest of us have been having an Elvis impersonation contest. Agent is winning by a mile. Thankyaveruhmuch.
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Bookwyrm627: ..............<Absolute and Total Math Diarrhea>................
I would love to hear more about this Helpfulometer....is it digital or analog??

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QuadrAlien: I'm tempted to say Flub as well, but I'm fairly certain that's just because I can't remember the last game where he wasn't up to no good in some respect.
Speak the Truth!!!!
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yogsloth: “Actually!” shouted Bookwyrm, waving his hands, “Five is just as unlikely as two, perhaps more so…”
And 5 is right out. Please tell me at least one other person thought of this.
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yogsloth: “Actually!” shouted Bookwyrm, waving his hands, “Five is just as unlikely as two, perhaps more so…”
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Bookwyrm627: And 5 is right out. Please tell me at least one other person thought of this.
I always wonder why people reference Monty Python, I don't find them very funny or amusing. Pretty sure I'm in the minority on that one though.
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Bookwyrm627: And 5 is right out. Please tell me at least one other person thought of this.
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trentonlf: I always wonder why people reference Monty Python, I don't find them very funny or amusing. Pretty sure I'm in the minority on that one though.
If that's not an admission of scuminess right there I don't know what is.. ;P