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Posted November 14, 2017
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Gurlok: Still, even if all of this was true, and if gog would enforce galaxy, this would have huge repercussions: galaxy is far from perfect, and its missing too many features, to truly rivals steam's client.
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BKGaming: Agreed, which is why I said I don't think it will happen anytime soon. I would imagine though GOG would want to automate as much as possible to increase revenue and profit and to better compete with Steam. So unless they automate that entire process of packaging installers and hosting them on the site (which I think could be doable if it was all built in house) then I don't see them sticking with installers longe term because of the resources required.

The problem is, non Galaxy users with either dwindle in numbers or stagnate as Galaxy becomes to defacto way of playing GOG games. This is inevitable. Around 700k people played the Witcher 3 via Galaxy according to GOG. A large percentage are also playing Gwent via Galaxy. A percetage of those users will likey become casual GOG users. This will continue to increase as the years go on and as more high profile CD Projekt games release.

At that point, investing in a way to automate the entire standalone installer process becomes redundent for a small percentage of overall GOG users. It would not be worth the time or resources.

For me GOG's main selling point is game preservation, and a happy by product of that is games being DRM Free. I imagine that is true for many people here. As long as GOG positions Galaxy in a way that games downloaded via Galaxy remain preservable and usable free of Galaxy, I imagine the amount of blowback would be small and managable because at the end of the day you still have a preservable DRM Free game wich is still far more than what can be said about all Steam games.
I can follow your argument, but only if we talk based on long terms (which I think you are pointing out).

I still hope they will support offline installers for a very long time (and don't forget the DRM-FREE).
Posted November 14, 2017
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BKGaming: For me GOG's main selling point is game preservation, and a happy by product of that is games being DRM Free.
No, it's completely other way round.

GOG's main point was, and still is, DRM-free. They have given up some other founding principles, such as flat pricing, but with a couple of unfortunate exceptions, all games have so far been DRM-free. You only need to install the games themselves, not anything else, and there are no restrictions.

Because games are sold as DRM-free, they are in a preservable state because of that.
Posted November 14, 2017
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Gurlok: I can follow your argument, but only if we talk based on long terms (which I think you are pointing out).

I still hope they will support offline installers for a very long time (and don't forget the DRM-FREE).
Yes I am talking long term... this is where I see GOG heading, not today, and certainly not tomorrow... but 5 years? 10 years? It's more than likley.
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PixelBoy: No, it's completely other way round.

GOG's main point was, and still is, DRM-free. They have given up some other founding principles, such as flat pricing, but with a couple of unfortunate exceptions, all games have so far been DRM-free. You only need to install the games themselves, not anything else, and there are no restrictions.

Because games are sold as DRM-free, they are in a preservable state because of that.
Eh it's tomatoes / tomatos you can't preserve a game without it being DRM free and by being DRM Free a game its automatically preservable.

The point is people bought games on GOG with to goal of always keeping them usable and playable.
Post edited November 14, 2017 by BKGaming
Posted November 14, 2017
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BKGaming: Eh it's tomatoes / tomatos you can't preserve a game without it being DRM free and by being DRM Free a game its automatically preservable.
Yes you can preserve a game that is not DRM-free. You simply preserve DRM with it.

For instance, those old adventure games where you needed to check some keyword from manuals, you only need to preserve a copy of the needed manual. There's no absolute need to take that DRM out from the game. For more complicated DRM solutions it's not as straightforward, but in many cases doable.

But if you can preserve DRM-free, that makes things easier and gives much more options for future use.


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BKGaming: The point is people bought games on GOG with to goal of always keeping them usable and playable.
That we can all agree upon.
Posted November 14, 2017
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PixelBoy: For instance, those old adventure games where you needed to check some keyword from manuals, you only need to preserve a copy of the needed manual.
That to me would not be true DRM... especially in this day and age where access to info is at your finger tips via the internet. Though I can see how something like that could have the intented consequences of DRM back in those days where access to information wasn't as easy as today.

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PixelBoy: There's no absolute need to take that DRM out from the game.
For somethjing like that sure... but that's like bottom of the barrel as far as "DRM" goes (if that is what you consider it). Let's be real though anything released in the last 10 - 15 years isn't going to consist of such simple "DRM". Preserving the DRM is the vast majory of games will not likley result in a usable game for years to come. See Windows 10 disabling many forms of old DRM.

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PixelBoy: That we can all agree upon.
And my point is making Galaxy required doesn't have to change that...as long as GOG handles it the right way. That simple goal of always keeping them usable and playable or always keeping games DRM free does not have to change because the delivery method has.

I fully agree though that making it required would be less convient for a lot of users but this is a matter of convience not DRM. We could argue all day about what is more convient (ie a browser or a client).
Post edited November 14, 2017 by BKGaming
Posted November 14, 2017
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Have you reached "EULAs are DRM" yet?
Oh, you have. Awesome.
Also, fingers are computers, because you can count on them. And Jeopardy is a videogame, because it's a game and it's on video.
Posted November 14, 2017
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Hey all! Thanks for bringing this up!
So let me clarify, we're not stepping back from GOG Galaxy being optional - the client is optional and will remain like that. The situation we have here, with the merge of both wishes is a bug. We're investigating what happened and will try to restore it to the previous state.
Posted November 14, 2017
^ Well, that's a relief. Thanks :)
Posted November 14, 2017
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elcook: Hey all! Thanks for bringing this up!
So let me clarify, we're not stepping back from GOG Galaxy being optional - the client is optional and will remain like that. The situation we have here, with the merge of both wishes is a bug. We're investigating what happened and will try to restore it to the previous state.
Darn it,i thought the party was just getting started ;).Cheers
Posted November 14, 2017
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elcook: [...] will try to restore it to the previous state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKc-mxGp-g#t=0m24s
Posted November 14, 2017
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elcook: Hey all! Thanks for bringing this up!
So let me clarify, we're not stepping back from GOG Galaxy being optional - the client is optional and will remain like that. The situation we have here, with the merge of both wishes is a bug. We're investigating what happened and will try to restore it to the previous state.
Thank you for this positive statement.

Now, if you could get some dev to comment on this very worrisome thread too, I would be happy!
Posted November 14, 2017
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elcook: Hey all! Thanks for bringing this up!
So let me clarify, we're not stepping back from GOG Galaxy being optional - the client is optional and will remain like that. The situation we have here, with the merge of both wishes is a bug. We're investigating what happened and will try to restore it to the previous state.
Thanks for the confirmation. Glad to see that was the issue. :)
Posted November 14, 2017
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Lifthrasil: Now, if you could get some dev to comment on this very worrisome thread too, I would be happy!
Isn't it much too early for that? Let's wait until they actually start making the damn game rather than acting like rogue, unrestrained PR hype men spouting independent thoughts and ideas at random. ;P

I'm sure it'll come with a futuristic version of GWENT though.
Posted November 14, 2017
False Alert ! False Alert! *All nuke launchers countdown terminated.....

Damn it.. was preparing for full scale attack......*activates stealth mode.....
Posted November 14, 2017
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russellskanne: I'm sure most people here know which wish I mean. It had over 5500 votes and was one of the most active in the Galaxy wishlist. It demanded that Galaxy will stay optional, except for things like multiplayer, achievements etc, and that offline installers won't be neglected. All of that is absolutely coherent with GOGs own stance and promises.

So, how should I interpret this move?? Will Galaxy become mandatory soon? Or is it just a mistake?
Can a blue one comment on this please?

Edit: Waybackmachine link of wish from 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160505045753/https://www.gog.com/wishlist/galaxy/be_optional_till_the_end_of_days
(You have to copy and paste this link because it always redirects to the original site)

Wish content: "Be optional till the end of days
The GOG staff has stated it everywhere: that Galaxy will remain optional. I want to trust them.
Therefore this request is supposed to be a reminder for the promise they'd made. This also includes the requirement that non-galaxy features won't be neglected, be it the up-to-dateness of offline-installers and patches or other concerns regarding the website- and account-functionality. Besides, there should never be a game requiring the client or profiting substantially from it's features (except multiplayer, chat and achievements)."

Edit: It seems that my wish was combined with Release the gog galaxy client for Linux wish because the original url https://www.gog.com/wishlist/galaxy/be_optional_till_the_end_of_days now redirects to it.
This makes no sense since the wishes have absolutely nothing in common.
Being DRM-Free is a primary reason why I switched over to GOG.

If GOG deleted a wish titled "Be optional till the end of days", I'm disheartened.

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