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Posted February 27, 2015
I can only say, that I will NOT buy anymore games from GOG if they don't end their stupid censorship. I don't care if it is "just 2 games", because that is how it always starts.

Some other thoughts that come to my mind:
1. If you could be problems selling them to germans, why shouldn't I sue you because you already sold me "bad" games without the correct verification of my age, which is required by german law?
2. Will GOG sue me, if I download (you know from the other side of the internet) a game I can't legally buy from GOG?
3. Why should I not use a VPN to buy all regionally priced games from the "cheap" ends of the world?

Jsut my 2 cents, but until I cannot simply buy games I like, I will not spend one cent on GOG! For me, ths is as simple as that.

Regards,

John
Posted February 27, 2015
I think many of us have gone blind to him, honestly.
Posted February 27, 2015
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BreOl72: I see - posting swastikas and using them as forum pics is the new way to go, yes?

Using a symbol that stands for the death of several millions of people killed by a facist regime is cool now, yes?

I guess, it's ok, because "censorship", yes?

We have to show, where we stand, yes?

Well, screw you all!
Actually I'd argue we are not using it enough. Its origin is very very old and it's a pity to let recent (in historical terms) misuse completely overshadow thousands years old history.
Posted February 27, 2015
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PaterAlf: [...]
Which is not really true. As an adult, I'm allowed to buy banned games from a foreign store and import them to Germany (as long as I don't resell or distribute them). And GOG is a foreign store after all.
Finally someone get's it. It's interesting (=sad) how few people understand how "censorship" works in Germany.

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PaterAlf: If the German version of GOG suddenly makes it a German store from a juridical point of view, then I would recommend to take down that version of the store immediately. It's not really needed anyway. About 90% of the Germans should understand English well enough to have no problems with the international section.
I second that, besides who needs a German front-end if you have German customer support and German forum members who can help?
Posted February 27, 2015
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paladin181: I think many of us have gone blind to him, honestly.
Like the uncle that fondles the cows and sheep >_>
lol
Posted February 27, 2015
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paladin181: I think many of us have gone blind to him, honestly.
There once was a whole nation gone blind to someone else.
That can never be an excuse again.
Posted February 27, 2015
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Roxolani: Do Australia and Germany have a lot of censored games? The worst countries for games and gamers?
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DanTheKraut: If publishers and shops would understand the german laws correctly and not use Wikipedia like Square Enix did as example. The situation for german gamers would be a lot better!
In fact there is no censorship in Germany only a lot of people who don't understand this. Except of child- and youthporn nothing is banned in Germany. German adults are free to decide by the law what games, music, movies or books they buy (import), own and sell. Selling is a bit complicated as it can get restricted when the media is indexed or even worse sales restricted by a court but it is still allowed.

As you can see above my post people tend to mix banned and indexed none of the games mentioned above was every banned some are still indexed but you can compare indexed with porn in other countries (available only for adults, no commercial and public selling (it is allowed anyway but you have to ask for the game) in places minors have access, adult stores aren't affected by this)
Wolfenstein 3D is sales restricted by a court which basically limits the selling from private person to private person or shop to single person (shop has to order it).
Well... I asked that because I saw some posts by Australian and German gamers (on various gaming websites, several years ago) who were angry of censorship, e.g. they said stuffs like this: "Why the Game X is not similar to US release?!".

I guess the developers/publisher removed some contents from those Australian/German releases. But I think most developers/publishers won't do that again, because it will drop their sales.

Also, in most times, this censorship works are useless, because the fans will release their unofficial patches/mods to restore those removed/hidden contents.

I hope all gamers around the world have a right to play what they want/like.
Posted February 27, 2015
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PaterAlf: [...]
Which is not really true. As an adult, I'm allowed to buy banned games from a foreign store and import them to Germany (as long as I don't resell or distribute them). And GOG is a foreign store after all.
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Khadgar42: Finally someone get's it. It's interesting (=sad) how few people understand how "censorship" works in Germany.

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PaterAlf: If the German version of GOG suddenly makes it a German store from a juridical point of view, then I would recommend to take down that version of the store immediately. It's not really needed anyway. About 90% of the Germans should understand English well enough to have no problems with the international section.
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Khadgar42: I second that, besides who needs a German front-end if you have German customer support and German forum members who can help?
I don't even get the German frontend, probably because everything is set to USD and English in my browser and it will stay that way. Having multiple languages I can more or less comprehend in front of me at the same time irritates me as hell, that's why I'm watching English movies with English subtitles if with any at all.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted February 27, 2015
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Khadgar42: Finally someone get's it. It's interesting (=sad) how few people understand how "censorship" works in Germany.

I second that, besides who needs a German front-end if you have German customer support and German forum members who can help?
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Klumpen0815: I don't even get the German frontend, probably because everything is set to USD and English in my browser and it will stay that way. Having multiple languages I can more or less comprehend in front of me at the same time window irritates me as hell, that's why I'm watching English movies with English subtitles if with any at all.
Pretend life is Star Wars and just assume English is "common". ^_^
...which may actually happen, heh.
Posted February 27, 2015
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paladin181: [...] He often has images of Islamic extremists as his avatar to instigate other civilized people. Sorry you found this sorry excuse for a person offensive. Flag his comments as negative and let it go.
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paladin181: I think many of us have gone blind to him, honestly.
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BreOl72: There once was a whole nation gone blind to someone else.
That can never be an excuse again.
Considering how many people are blind towards these things at the moment, I would say that these comments put together are ironic on a meta-level, if such thing even exist, that is...
Posted February 27, 2015
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Roxolani: Well... I asked that because I saw some posts by Australian and German gamers (on various gaming websites, several years ago) who were angry of censorship, e.g. they said stuffs like this: "Why the Game X is not similar to US release?!".
Well, most of that is self-censorship by the developers and publishers. They do that to get a rating that allows them to sell their games to minors as well. Without that it's a lot harder to promote and sell your games.
Posted February 27, 2015
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AndyBuzz: Actually I'd argue we are not using it enough. Its origin is very very old and it's a pity to let recent (in historical terms) misuse completely overshadow thousands years old history.
Oh, I know of the origins of the symbol - but the matter of fact is: We all know, what it stands for, nowadays.

And it doesn't matter, what its meaning was a thousand years before the third reich - because no one is referring to it in that way, anymore.

And another thing:

The original was -afaik- always pictured horizontally (standing flat on its "side"), while the Nazisymbol sits on its "corner".
So, there is a difference.

And I'm not implying, showing the "old" (flat) symbol would be considered better, nowadays.
The Nazis have spoiled that "symbol of love" forever.
Posted February 27, 2015
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AndyBuzz: Actually I'd argue we are not using it enough. Its origin is very very old and it's a pity to let recent (in historical terms) misuse completely overshadow thousands years old history.
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BreOl72: Oh, I know of the origins of the symbol - but the matter of fact is: We all know, what it stands for, nowadays.

And it doesn't matter, what its meaning was a thousand years before the third reich - because no one is referring to it in that way, anymore.

And another thing:

The original was -afaik- always pictured horizontally (standing flat on its "side"), while the Nazisymbol sits on its "corner".
So, there is a difference.

And I'm not implying, showing the "old" (flat) symbol would be considered better, nowadays.
The Nazis have spoiled that "symbol of love" forever.
There is still hope! The japanese use it to this day and it is commonly seen on temples etc and in modern media such as anime/manga =D
Posted February 27, 2015
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BreOl72: The Nazis have spoiled that "symbol of love" forever.
Nothing is forever (not even the cool GoG we all loved so dearly).
You give the nazis way more credit than they deserve, as so many Germans still do. :/

The swastika was always shown in various directions and positions long before them.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted February 27, 2015
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snowkatt: gog has to abide by the law in the countries they sell in
its why hot line miami 2 isnt for sale to australians
the game is unrated and there for illegal to buy in australia

it sucks but t'laws are the laws
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moonshineshadow: But the problem here is, that it is not against the law. Mortal Kombat has been taken from the "Confiscated" games list since 2005 which means it is allowed to be sold to adults.
I'm trying to find a source because it seems to be a matter of confusion. Wikipedia says the list of banned games for Germany includes Commandos and Mortal Kombat, and that ‘a ban is enforced for a minimum of ten years, after which a request for review may be submitted.'
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