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Posted August 17, 2020
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nmillar: The bit that interests me, however is whether "bulletproof" has been included with this particular role (i.e. if somebody targets you, do you shoot first, rendering any visits - investigative roles / night kill - useless?).
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dedoporno: Looks kind of specific to me.
I think you're misunderstanding. What I posted, and what I was looking for are two very different things.
Posted August 17, 2020
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bjgamer: I am waiting for our host to answer a PM re:mod question. I do not want to violate any rule and it will verify if I am reading something correctly.
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JoeSapphire: but do you not think nmillar should be claiming now?
It may well be we all should be claiming soon, or at least sharing applicable info. Unless I'm mistaken we are already up against a wall with this lynch, yes? The clues are here, it's up to town to put them together.

At the risk of sounding jealous - where were you last 'Night', Joe? ;P Anything to add for consideration?

@dedo - same question, and do you have anything to add which may exonerate someone or narrow the field?

BTW, the PGO was not active N1, so no, mafia could not have been wiped out N1 unless there is something you are thinking that we haven't put together yet. In this game it looks like you have to consider the modifiers to understand the balance. (Clever, that host of ours is, yes.)

We also have Catte we are waiting on.
Posted August 17, 2020
Ok everyone, I'm beat here and I've just gotten a very sick hubby back down so I'm going to grab some sleep while I can. I should hope to be back evening time for most of you.
Posted August 17, 2020
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bjgamer: At the risk of sounding jealous - where were you last 'Night', Joe? ;P Anything to add for consideration?
ha no, sorry. If I'd learned something I wouldn't be sitting on it. I suppose it doesn't hurt to tell you I was with Vitek.
Posted August 17, 2020
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nmillar: Why wasn't I given the opportunity to respond to Vitek's role claim? As I mentioned previously, I could either clear or implicate someone based on their claim, and I could have confirmed Vitek was telling the truth without ZFR's sacrifice.
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If we get the lynch wrong, then it's now game over in mafia's favour, unless we get very lucky with the night actions. It may be that no lynch is now a viable option. We'd have to get the lynch right tomorrow, but we would have another round of night results to hopefully steer us in the right direction.

So, now I'm weighing up my own options. If I don't claim, then I have a huge target on my back from the remaining town, and if I do claim, then I have a huge target on my back from the mafia.
Yeah, I don't know why ZFR jumped the gun (hoho) like that. Having said that, the huge contradiction between yours and Vitek's stories made it seem very likely one of you was mafia so I can see why ZFR felt confident to do what he did.

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Yeah, no lunch is a viable option. We'd get extra night actions and reduce the pool by 1.

As for the target on your back, if you're actually town then the mafia will have their sights on you regardless of whether you claim.


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nmillar: Yes, any night action results people do have could swing this all in town's favour, so perhaps ZFR's sacrifice may be helpful after all.

I can clear Vitek, so from my own point of view the remaining scum are two from three of Joe, Catte and Dedo. Obviously, the town person amongst them will have to substitute my name for theirs. Vitek and bjg have two from four to pick from.

If Joe, Catte or Dedo is one of those you can clear from being the killer, then it does indeed appear to be a 50/50 chance of lynching said killer.
How can you clear Vitek? You literally accused him of lying about his night action.

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Vitek: BJG, Joe, Catte, I hate you now.
:'<

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Vitek: When Dreamia got shot it was all "we have confirmed towie now" and when I got shot it's "I can't decide whether he is SK or mafia reflector".
Especially Joe who I had leaning town before and he was very quick to cast doubts and keep me as option in scumpool to keep it bigger.
Because of the night action thing!

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JoeSapphire: But yeah vitek's right - if we can doubt vitek then we can doubt BJ too. That's what you were getting at, right? >:)
You're right, but we can only doubt one or the other realistically. I doubt there are two neutrals...


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bjgamer: @nmillar - to be clear, are you saying you can verify Vitek's claim to ZFR that he is a backup gunsmith? Or that he did or did not leave his room? Can you ascertain if he is any sort of deflector/reflector?
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nmillar: I can verify his claim as a backup gunsmith. The "Why weren't you in your room?" question was to attempt to force a claim, which I could then verify. I was unable to verify before the claim was made.
No no no no no! You fucking what?? You falseclaimed an investigation result to get him to claim? There are ways to get someone to claim that don't implicate them! I'm sure ZFR wouldn't have done what he did if you hadn't lied. I felt bad for you when you were going "Why didn't ZFR wait for me?", but you brought this upon us yourself. Especially given the way you dropped a bombshell like that and then didn't stick around to pick up the pieces.

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nmillar: I am simply stating that Vitek is telling the truth, so barring one Hell of a twist, then each of us has 3 suspects (except Vitek and BJG who have 4). BJG has also suggested being able to clear someone from the NK, which will obviously be useful to us at some point.
Well we know Vitek isn't mafia for other reasons, but I'm sure as hell not taking your word for anything after what you just pulled.

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bjgamer: We also have Catte we are waiting on.
No, I'm afraid I don't have any way to clear or damn anyone.

Ok, I'm more or less caught up.

I might need a bump though, pls.
Posted August 17, 2020
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my name is coole catte: No no no no no! You fucking what?? You falseclaimed an investigation result to get him to claim? There are ways to get someone to claim that don't implicate them! I'm sure ZFR wouldn't have done what he did if you hadn't lied. I felt bad for you when you were going "Why didn't ZFR wait for me?", but you brought this upon us yourself. Especially given the way you dropped a bombshell like that and then didn't stick around to pick up the pieces.
Hold on, this is a little bit unfair. I'm still working full time despite the COVID situation, so cannot stay up through the night waiting for a response.
Posted August 17, 2020
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bjgamer: BTW, the PGO was not active N1, so no, mafia could not have been wiped out N1 unless there is something you are thinking that we haven't put together yet. In this game it looks like you have to consider the modifiers to understand the balance. (Clever, that host of ours is, yes.)
Desperado + Lunch

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JoeSapphire: ha no, sorry. If I'd learned something I wouldn't be sitting on it. I suppose it doesn't hurt to tell you I was with Vitek.
Oho?

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nmillar: Hold on, this is a little bit unfair. I'm still working full time despite the COVID situation, so cannot stay up through the night waiting for a response.
It's mainly the lying I'm taking issue with. Unless I've grossly misunderstood you, you completely made up a result that said Vitek was "out and about" at night.
Posted August 17, 2020
I thought about it a bit more. nmillar have to be on the same team. Either both are Town or both are scum. I can see indications for either and considering the state of affairs I'm afraid of jumping to conclusions.

If what some people claim is true we can possibly benefit from another night. Someone mentioned no-lynch and I'm starting to believe there is a serious merit to that.

I'd also like to see what Catte makes of all this.


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bjgamer: @dedo - same question, and do you have anything to add which may exonerate someone or narrow the field?
Unfortunately I can't at this point.

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bjgamer: BTW, the PGO was not active N1, so no, mafia could not have been wiped out N1 unless there is something you are thinking that we haven't put together yet.
You're right, I blanked out about the novice mod.

I hope your husband gets better soon!
Posted August 17, 2020
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nmillar: Hold on, this is a little bit unfair. I'm still working full time despite the COVID situation, so cannot stay up through the night waiting for a response.
EBWOP:
It's mainly the lying I'm taking issue with. Unless I've grossly misunderstood you, you completely made up a result that said Vitek was "out and about" at night.
Also Vitek's claim was only an hour after you asked him why he wasn't in his room. I get that it was 11pm by then, but if you're going to use misinformation in that sort of way it's probably best to do it at a time when you can stick around and contain the situation rather than do it just before you go to bed.

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dedoporno: I thought about it a bit more. nmillar have to be on the same team. Either both are Town or both are scum. I can see indications for either and considering the state of affairs I'm afraid of jumping to conclusions.

If what some people claim is true we can possibly benefit from another night. Someone mentioned no-lynch and I'm starting to believe there is a serious merit to that.

I'd also like to see what Catte makes of all this.
Is there a name missing from that second sentence? nmillar and who?

Yes, I think another night could be of value.
Posted August 17, 2020
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my name is coole catte: It's mainly the lying I'm taking issue with. Unless I've grossly misunderstood you, you completely made up a result that said Vitek was "out and about" at night.
The flavour I got sounded like I entered an empty room. It was not specified whether he was there or not, and I assumed the latter.

No sense in prolonging this any longer. I am the town gunsmith, and investigated Vitek. The thinking here was that if Vitek false claimed a role that didn't have a gun, then it would implicate him. However, he claimed back-up gunsmith, and I obviously know that the gunsmith role exists.

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nmillar: That, I say that blows my suspicions out of the water. So who do we have left?

Catte (Cool Cat) - Smart boy, got a mind like a steel trap – full of mice
ZFR (Daffy Duck) - You know there might, I say there just might be a market for bottled duck
JoeSapphire (Road Runner) - He started, I say he started running faster than a bobtail with a bird under his tail
Vitek (Wile E. Coyote) - That dog, I say that dog is lower than a snake full of buckshot
bjgamer (Tweety) - That boy’s as timid as a canary at a cat show
Nmillar (Foghorn Leghorn) - Fortunately I keep my feathers numbered, for, for just such an emergency
dedoporno (Sylvester) - That boy’s as strong as an ox, and just about as smart

This is going to cause more confusion than a mouse in a burlesque show.
If you pay special attention to the Foghorn Leghorn quotes, you'll see that the one against Vitek contains the word "buckshot", whereas no other quotes mentioning anything to do with guns.

I then re-inforced it with this post:

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nmillar: "Pump number 5? That's $19.89."
So, Aerosmith released an album in 1989 called "Pump", and track number 5? That's "Janie's Got A Gun". I used this in a direct response to Vitek who was of course the person I investigated.

I might not have gone about things in the correct way, but I saw an opportunity to increase the likelihood of a town victory, so went for it. At least it's made things interesting, I suppose.
Posted August 17, 2020
And I should have refreshed... Anyway, I also had time for those responses:


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JoeSapphire: I suppose it doesn't hurt to tell you I was with Vitek.
Say what??


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nmillar: I think you're misunderstanding. What I posted, and what I was looking for are two very different things.
I dunno, man...


Also, this time I did refresh, so


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my name is coole catte: Is there a name missing from that second sentence? nmillar and who?
There is. Vitek. Vitek's and nmillar's latest claims are corroborating each other. So they are either Town together in which case the corroboration is real and it's a massive advantage or they are scum together (in a scenario where Vitek survived the shot in some way and left a false negative result) and nillar is riding on Vitek's confirmation.
Posted August 17, 2020
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nmillar: The flavour I got sounded like I entered an empty room. It was not specified whether he was there or not, and I assumed the latter.

No sense in prolonging this any longer. I am the town gunsmith, and investigated Vitek. The thinking here was that if Vitek false claimed a role that didn't have a gun, then it would implicate him. However, he claimed back-up gunsmith, and I obviously know that the gunsmith role exists.

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If you pay special attention to the Foghorn Leghorn quotes, you'll see that the one against Vitek contains the word "buckshot", whereas no other quotes mentioning anything to do with guns.

I then re-inforced it with this post:

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nmillar: "Pump number 5? That's $19.89."
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nmillar: So, Aerosmith released an album in 1989 called "Pump", and track number 5? That's "Janie's Got A Gun". I used this in a direct response to Vitek who was of course the person I investigated.

I might not have gone about things in the correct way, but I saw an opportunity to increase the likelihood of a town victory, so went for it. At least it's made things interesting, I suppose.
I wouldn't read into flavour too much. The room being empty was probably just implying that you waited for a good time to investigate.

Ok. This seems to make sense. Either neither of you are mafia, or both of you are mafia.

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That's some clever breadcrumbing for sure! Unfortunately I'm not an Aerosmith fan so I didn't pick up on the reference. I did think that the breadcrumb might be in your Foghorn Leghorn flavour post.

Do you have a D1 breadcrumb of your role? Anything at all that points to you being the gunsmith before N1.



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Ok, so I think it's very likely that nmillar and Vitek are town and everything they've claimed (well nearly everything) is true.

There is a lurking suspicion in my mind that they could be the two mafia but it seems too unlikely.


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dedoporno: There is. Vitek. Vitek's and nmillar's latest claims are corroborating each other. So they are either Town together in which case the corroboration is real and it's a massive advantage or they are scum together (in a scenario where Vitek survived the shot in some way and left a false negative result) and nillar is riding on Vitek's confirmation.
But you wrote that before Nmillar claimed gunsmith, right? In what way was Vitek corroborating nmillar?
Posted August 17, 2020
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my name is coole catte: But you wrote that before Nmillar claimed gunsmith, right? In what way was Vitek corroborating nmillar?
nimillar said he could have verified Vitek's claim without ZFR having to sacrifice himself. I read that as saying he was the real gunsmith. Someone pre-emptively claiming a backup something that isn't your normal every day role is likely going to look good for the senior role.
Posted August 17, 2020
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nmillar: No sense in prolonging this any longer. I am the town gunsmith, and investigated Vitek.
wait what?
Posted August 17, 2020
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my name is coole catte: Do you have a D1 breadcrumb of your role? Anything at all that points to you being the gunsmith before N1?
"Bulletproof".
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