You signaled investigative, we found a very similar style in you re:gunsmith before and it fit with the theme style this game seemed to be taking. That game also involved GH, Vitek and Eyeball, so we got a hint. The Pump 5 sent us all over Game 5, Post 19 and 89, this game's posts, it was hilarious. If we had just Googled it from the beginning instead of concentrating on Mafia games only ... but yes, after that was why we pushed Vitek harder.

I was quite pleased with that one. :)

We will try to check in one more time but should be going to bed somewhat soonish.

Also, confirmed by the mod - Bodyguard does have a gun.

Good to know. It's the only one of the three claims that would have a gun then.

I am busy today. Do we still have time?

It'd be a good way to have a vanilla role in a game where you decided everybody had roles, but we know it's not the case here - nmillar's breadcrumbing is pretty watertight.

So the only way nmillar could be mafia is if the gunsmith is mafia, so town has to kill him to get the backup gunsmith. Which has an elegance to the mechanic, but I don't think it's fair for a moderator to expect town to lynch their top investigator role, so still it can't really be what's happening here.


well my point is you've disproved Gym's claim by finding he doesn't have a gun, so you've also proved that he can't be mafia because he doesn't have a gun so what was the point?

But, as I say, I was excited by the idea that this was some sort of contadiction a few days ago, now I think it's just a derp.


Well the bit you're quoting is refering to a more balanced setup, and this is role madness so I would think a doctor and a bodyguard could exist together. Except with a jailer as well? Probly not. So yeah, one of dedo and catte must be lying, probably both.
But do they both claim protective roles after the Jailer claim if they're working together? Does catte crow at dedo for not breadcrumbing if they're on a team? Maybe but it worries me...
But I have a habit of overthinking things and imagining horror scenarios that aren't really feasible.

There isn't much more to say, really. I was thinking about how many stacked roles we have against a two-mafia team. Three potential killers (two of which are subjectively favoring us as they either kill scum or confirm Town), three potential gunsmiths, two potential investigators, two potential bodyguards, two potential roleblockers. That's a lot. There has to be something even if the setup doesn't have great balance. So I thought a bulletproof modifier might be that something where the Desperado shot results in a false negative and kind of works as if I Cop investigated a Godfather.

Usually it's normal to think of something or something to make a stronger impression on you if it's familiar to you already. At the beginning of the game nmillar brought up the bulletproof modifier in a line of questioning that didn't really make sense to me. And it was familiar to me because I also have the potential of getting that same mod so I made not of it. When the whole thing with Vitek and ZFR happened and roles/modifiers that were able to convert the Desperado result were brought up I thought that nmillar might have used it also because he was familiar with it somehow. So if he and Vitek are scum and they are in fact allowed to talk freely he might have been checking if Vitek can kill GH safely in case of need.

Such sort of things. The whole bulletproof line of questioning makes absolutely zero sense to me in the context it was given by nmillar. The bit where nmillar initially says Vitek wasn't in his room prior the ZFR shooting and only after he says he could have confirmed his claim is also weird.

It's quite complex line of events indeed and it's unwise to assume this over the simpler explanation that Joe and Catte are the scum but I do tend go into such "what-ifs" so possibly I'm just being paranoid.

So yeah, I do find it's a possibility but I wouldn't chase it in any way as it's unlikely. But if that's happens to be it and we lose I'll consider myself the winner for figuring it out and screw anyone who says otherwise :)

The point was that if he had claimed a role that doesn't have a gun (e.g. Doctor), then this would contradict me finding a gun in his room, and I could call him out on it. Obviously, as he claimed a role that does have a gun, then I could not disprove this.

It was a gamble, but thanks to ZFR being trigger happy, it has been proved that Vitek is indeed town, so we are down to only 3 possible suspects, of which Catte's role seems the most likely to be genuine in my opinion.

And with a little bit of luck, I (or Vitek should I die) can now verify yours, Catte's and dedo's claims. Of the three, only dedo has claimed a role with a gun, so is the only one we would get an inconclusive result from.

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We're not talking about Vitek, we're talking about Gym

With Gym, he obviously claimed a role that had a gun, so if I'd investigated him and found no gun, then I would have disproved his claim.

which would mean he was mafia, right?

Ah, I see where you're going with this. He would have had to be a mafia role without a gun, so one that couldn't carry out an NK, or a third party. Otherwise, why would he lie? On reflection, I agree that Gym would have been a poor choice of target.

well okay then

I have a gun? I was not aware of that but mafiascum says it is traditional for gunsmith to have them so I guess it's true.

...did you think nmillar forced you to claim because he found no guns on you?