Krypsyn: Yep. I screwed it up again. I seem to always miss the vote number, yet get all the underlining correct.
Bad news. At least one of your vote counts (iirc one where Flub was at L-1) messed up the underlining as well. ;)
Bookwyrm627: [...]
Vote Mchack HypersomniacLive: Is that because you (still?) think he's scum? Yes, I saw you unvoted him already, just want to make sure I follow you.
If he was scum on Day 1, then he's still scum Today. I see no reason to remove him from my list at this time.
Bookwyrm627: [...] That was pretty much the absolute worst possible time for such conversation, and Trent Don't-Talk-About-Roles-On-Day-1 onlf decides it is a good time to claim.
And yeah, I'm moving my vote
because that is still ridiculous.
Unvote Mchack Vote Trent HypersomniacLive: Your reasoning isn't clear to me - are you voting him because of what he did yesterday (as town? as scum?), or because he believed his claim and think that he's likely scum now?
He effectively claimed he wasn't a mason. LAL makes that an excessively deadly proposition if he is a mason. Also, Trent is typically very adamantly against D1 claims without cause. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe he was either vanilla town, or he was scum. Scum can easily come to this same conclusion, which makes him a likely recruit if he is town, and recruiting would make him scum anyway. Either way, he needs to die.
Combine Trent's SOP of decrying early game role claims, that he is familiar with our cultural fondness for LAL, that the claim came at a terrible time in the Day, and the claim becomes incredibly irksome (for me, at least) on so many levels.
With Flub and Trent as very likely vanilla (assuming town), then I think randomly lynching from one of them yields (at least? pretty close to?) 50% of hitting scum.
Bookwyrm627: I'm not sure how much to read into it. As an example: Mchack wouldn't lynch himself. Hunter was already on the wagon. Sage was MIA for an extended period. That only leaves 1 other scum, who would have to be on the other scum team AND who wasn't already on the wagon. This makes some assumptions for the sake of the point, but I think it is a decent illustration.
dedoporno: I'm a bit tired and I'm not sure I follow this, I have to process it a bit but I actually neglected the fact about Sage not being there at all.
I'm saying I don't know how much credence I'd give to "he was sitting at L-1, so he is more likely to be town". In Mchack's case, there simply might not have been any scum available to slam the hammer down "just to achieve a lynch". For example, if Mchack is scum, then the two scum on the other team might have already been on his wagon (Hunter) and/or might have been missing (Sage). Hunter and Sage are used as behavior examples here, not as accusations.
Bookwyrm627: ~ the idea of one scum team doing nothing on N1 is ridiculous enough that I categorically
regret it. ~
dedoporno: [emphasis by me] Is that supposed to be "reject" or do you regret doing nothing on N1?
That is an embarrassing typo that will lead to my proofreading team being reprimanded and possibly replaced. Should have been "reject".
mchack: secondly: I think this exonerates no-one. He was scum but aside from that (and even that if you believe bookwyrms first case) we cannot know who his buddy was, because wifom.
This reminds me of something.
Bookwyrm627: A1) If Adalia or HSL were scum and on Hunter's team, then there isn't much reason for Hunter to use his conversion shot instead of one of them because Hunter wasn't at risk of lynch.
mchack: said it before, but I'll say it again: A1 is exactly the opposite in my assessment of the situation. Exactly because they were so near a lynch as they were, them flipping scum would cast a bad light on a lot of people (even enemies of enemies) , whereas hunter flipping doesn't, so for me it is pretty safe to assume neither hsl nor adalia would risk to flip themselves and rather leave the conversion attempt to hunter.
Apparently this is a case where we just differ in philosophy.
That said, if Adalia/HSL flipping scum would cast a bad light on a lot of people, why wouldn't they risk their death on the conversion attempt? Sounds like a win-win; either they get a convert or a bunch of other people look bad.
