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Posted October 27, 2017
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Leonard03: Dang dang dang.
No-lynch is bad. Stupid of me to forget how close we were to deadline. European evening != Canadian evening.

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mchack: I think this is a splendid outcome for the first day/night cycle.
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Leonard03: Cause you made it through alive sitting at L-1?

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ZFR: This is the pendant in me speaking, but technically your point (3) should actually be 2(d), since it falls under the broad heading that Hunter was scum.

You can further break it down into 2d(i) He failed a conversion while the other team did nothing, and 2d(ii) he was NKed while his team did nothing.
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Leonard03: That latter 2 are unlikely enough to be discarded, however. Even if a scum team wasn't willing to risk a conversion attempt, there's no reason for them not to NK someone. Unless they were as indecisive as us and ran out of time, lol.

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adaliabooks: The very fact that you have to ask why I might not having been willing to vote a particular player in this set up suggests you are not paying any attention or are completely blinded by your read on me.
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Leonard03: Mkay.

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adaliabooks: Why would the person at most risk of being killed not take their conversion shot, I really don't see the logic there.
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Leonard03: A good question, assuming scum think along this line, we have a couple different conclusions. Either Hunter did not die from a failed conversion attempt, or his partner in crime went as unnoticed as he did the first day. There is, of course, still the possibility that he was converted and then NK'd, but that seems... unlikely.

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mchack: on seperate note. What does make Leonard all scummy all of a sudden? at least try and build a case instead of just trying to randomly lynch anyone.
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Leonard03: Actually, if you look at adalia and Bookwyrm day 1, they expressed suspicion before.

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Krypsyn: Trust in Masons.
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Leonard03: And what if no lynch happens?

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trentonlf: I’m not my usual self?!?! *Looks in mirror, screams in terror* Who are you in that mirror! Give me back my usual self!!!! Hmm, maybe you mean I’m having fun and I usually don’t? Did bookwyrm talk to you last night?
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Leonard03: TBH, this post is not helping your case.

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Bookwyrm627: snip
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Leonard03: Why the random hop to Sage? That pretty much ensured there would be no chance of a lynch, even if someone did make it online.

Also, just as a reference (and blatantly stolen from Krypsyn's Unofficial vote counts, so if something's missing, blame him). On Day 1 Hunter voted for: flubbucket, Bookwyrm (when Bookwyrm asked for the votes), trentonlf, adaliabooks (RVS), mchack, and HypersomniacLive.

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Bookwyrm627: All this taken together means that if Adalia or HSL are scum, then they are very likely part of a 3-man cyborg team now.
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Leonard03: Sorry, I'm not sure how that follows.

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Bookwyrm627: I...think I follow all that. If we don't go looking for the convert, then (assuming the convert is a cyborg) the remaining mutant might target the convert and therefore die.

Therefore, we should leave Trent and Flub alone under the assumption that one of them was likely converted, so the mutant might try to convert one, choose wrong, and die?

Did I get that right?
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Leonard03: That's an... interesting strategy.
I have a case! What’s in it? Can I eat it?



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HypersomniacLive: [emphasis added]

Define trentonlf's usual self in the context of the setup we have.
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adaliabooks: Well, what we saw from him for most of yesterday. Today he seems to be playing a little more fast and loose, a bit less serious. Which I don't particularly ever remember him doing so, it could well be the sign of someone who has been converted and doesn't know how to behave.
Yesterday I was doing everything in my power to prevent a lynch happening on anyone I thought was Town, and today I will do the same. But, from the opening day post it looks like somebody was probably converted and so at this moment I’m assessing things to see if someone I felt was town yesterday feels like they no longer are. So my antics as strange as hey may seem, help me in that process.

I will say this, so far from what I’ve seen I still don’t think mchack is scum and you’re barking up the wrong tree. Now whether that’s intentional or not is in question, but still feels like two tonwies going after each other.
Posted October 27, 2017
Open question here: Assuming what we had at night were 2 conversions, one failed, and assuming we get to lynch a scum at night, do you think it'd be better for us if we lynch the remaining single, or one from the 3-person team?
Posted October 27, 2017
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ZFR: Open question here: Assuming what we had at night were 2 conversions, one failed, and assuming we get to lynch a scum at night, do you think it'd be better for us if we lynch the remaining single, or one from the 3-person team?
I'm not sure...
If we hit the one remaining scum then we remove a NK or conversion possibility entirely, but we may well end up with 4 scum on one team tomorrow. In which case it would be 4 scum vs 6 town (3 masons, 3 normal), the masons could possibly claim at this point, but only if we were actually certain there were no more conversions available.

If we hit the three man team then we have two possibly NKs or conversions (though if we hit the right player we might remove that teams conversion ability). Worst case is we start day 3 with five scum (two successful conversions) on two teams of 3 and 2, 3 masons and 2 vanillas.

So while the first leaves us with more town, it also leaves one large united scum team. The second means scum together can prevent a lynch if they want, but it also means they will have to start turning on each other so it may become easier quite quickly as the two teams begin killing each other.

So really it depends on which outcome you think is better or worse.. to have one united scum team killing town off or to have two smaller teams with an extra kill but having to worry about each other as well.
Posted October 27, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: Also, since anyone else could have been converted, how are you going to tell if someone's flip Today is the same as the one they'd have flipped Yesterday?
can't. lift said so. it's in the setup. I just go on scummy behaviour. and if someone flips scum, I don't care as long as he's dead.

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mchack: ~ with most likely only 2 conversion shots left in game and most likely 4 vanilla left in game ~
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dedoporno: How come that is the most likely scenario?
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mchack: [...] lynching the most suspected scum from last day is even more rewarding as if we lynch correctly we not only kill scum but also the last remaining conversion shot of that team dies. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: [emphasis added]

And you're so über-confident about that because...?
I'm not, just my working theory. And something to consider when going after flubs or trent as maybe-converts...

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mchack: [...] uh, nope all of scum were on my wagon [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Are you saying that every single scum put all their eggs in one basket? If so, why would they?
they want me dead, for being a bother? also I guess they figure the enemy of your enemy is your friend. at least at the beginning.

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mchack: [...] You didn't talk to hunter as if you thought him scum. I at least offered him a place on my list (your spot in fact)
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HypersomniacLive: And that makes you automatically town how exactly? Let's assume that it normally would (it wouldn't), does having two scum teams in play change anything?
doesn't make me town.

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mchack: [...] I explained in my last post. Adalia or HSL flipping scum this morning would not at all help in lynching me. that's why I assume they didn't do the conversion shots themselves. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Again, do you factor in the fact we don't have a single scum team?
yes. still find it very weird that they rather wanted no-lynch than try you. As I said. with 8 vs 2 vs 2 the two small teams would naturally help each other against the big enemy.

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mchack: this is the one part where bookwyrm made a lot of town points (and some krypsyn points, too) with me when he threatened everyone to not talk masons.
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dedoporno: Scum can't do that? Really? Is it enforced in some way or are they just nice like that?
sure they can. But they usually like knowing masons more than town points I'd think.
Posted October 27, 2017
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dedoporno: Scum can't do that? Really? Is it enforced in some way or are they just nice like that?
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mchack: sure they can. But they usually like knowing masons more than town points I'd think.
Except they obviously felt they didn't need any help as it would appear both teams went for conversions and one was successful. In which case town points are exactly what scum want.

You should know, you've been playing that way all game.
Posted October 27, 2017
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Official Vote Count

flubb 2 - ZFR 705, Krypsyn 739
trent 1 - Bookwyrm 708
adalia 2 - flubb 712, mchack 714
mchack 1 - adalia 748
HSL 1 - trent 702

not voting: dedo, Leonard, Sage, HSL
it takes 6 to lynch, flubb and adalia are at L-4
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Post edited October 27, 2017 by Lifthrasil
Posted October 27, 2017
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adaliabooks: So really it depends on which outcome you think is better or worse.. to have one united scum team killing town off or to have two smaller teams with an extra kill but having to worry about each other as well.
Because I'm thinking it might be easier to "hunt" (hehe) down Hunter's partner. For starters, mchack, yourself (?) and anyone else who was in a bad situation would be exonerated, on the premise that Hunter was laying low and was the safer bet to remain hidden. So we could start by looking at the other "safe" players and see if we can narrow it down further based on Hunter's posts.
And yes, I do realize that puts me in the potential suspicious list. (Though to be honest, if I were Hunter's partner, I think the inexperienced newbie would be more expendable than him).

^All that assumes going for Hunter's partner is a good idea. I wouldn't want to reach a situation where we're screwed because the other scum team got stronger.

^And all that assumes that it is indeed a 3-1 scum situation that we're now facing.
Posted October 27, 2017
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Lifthrasil: flubb 2 - ZFR 705, Krypsyn 739
adalia 2 - flubb 712, mchack 714
it takes 6 to lynch, flubb and adalia are at L-2
that should be L-4
Posted October 27, 2017
EBWOP^
And I want to stress it that by "exonerate" I mean exonerated from being Hunter's partner. Everyone is still potential scum as far as I'm concerned.

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Lifthrasil: flubb 2 - ZFR 705, Krypsyn 739
adalia 2 - flubb 712, mchack 714
it takes 6 to lynch, flubb and adalia are at L-2
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mchack: that should be L-4
There are 3 types of people: those who know primary school maths and those who don't.
Posted October 27, 2017
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ZFR: EBWOP^
And I want to stress it that by "exonerate" I mean exonerated from being Hunter's partner. Everyone is still potential scum as far as I'm concerned.

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mchack: that should be L-4
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ZFR: There are 3 types of people: those who know primary school maths and those who don't.
first off: ok I may not know primary school maths but my calculator says 6 - 2 = 4 so L-4 as in four votes left till lynch.
secondly: I think this exonerates no-one. He was scum but aside from that (and even that if you believe bookwyrms first case) we cannot know who his buddy was, because wifom.
Posted October 27, 2017
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Lifthrasil: flubb 2 - ZFR 705, Krypsyn 739
adalia 2 - flubb 712, mchack 714
it takes 6 to lynch, flubb and adalia are at L-2
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mchack: that should be L-4
Ooopsie.
Posted October 27, 2017
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mchack: first off: ok I may not know primary school maths but my calculator says 6 - 2 = 4 so L-4 as in four votes left till lynch.
The joke was aimed at Lift, not you.
Posted October 27, 2017
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ZFR: There are 3 types of people: those who know primary school maths and those who don't.
I thought that was 10 types of people: those who know binary numbers and those who don't.
Posted October 27, 2017
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Bookwyrm627: snip
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Leonard03: Why the random hop to Sage? That pretty much ensured there would be no chance of a lynch, even if someone did make it online.
Not enough people were budging for any of the 4 main wagons. With no offense meant toward Sage or her situation, I was willing to sacrifice a slot that was effectively doing nothing if it would get people to move.

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Leonard03: Also, just as a reference (and blatantly stolen from Krypsyn's Unofficial vote counts, so if something's missing, blame him). On Day 1 Hunter voted for: flubbucket, Bookwyrm (when Bookwyrm asked for the votes), trentonlf, adaliabooks (RVS), mchack, and HypersomniacLive.
Something to keep in mind is that a lot of those votes had zero pressure to carry through (like the early votes). Look for the ones that were on wagons that might have gone all the way to lynch.

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Bookwyrm627: All this taken together means that if Adalia or HSL are scum, then they are very likely part of a 3-man cyborg team now.
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Leonard03: Sorry, I'm not sure how that follows.
F1 = Fact 1
A1 = Assumption 1
C1 = Conclusion 1

F1) Hunter is dead and flipped mutant.
C1) If Hunter was not one of the Original Scum, then he was targeted for a conversion and a NK on the same night. Therefore, he was probably one of the Original Scum.
A1) If Adalia or HSL were scum and on Hunter's team, then there isn't much reason for Hunter to use his conversion shot instead of one of them because Hunter wasn't at risk of lynch.
C2) Per C1, either Hunter was NK'd by the cyborgs, or Hunter died because he chose poorly for a conversion attempt.
C3) From If Hunter died because of failed conversion AND Adalia/HSL are scum, then Adalia or HSL must be a cyborg (or else they'd have failed the conversion instead, being at more risk of dying anyway).

There is a chance that Adalia/HSL were successful in converting and Hunter was simply NK'd by the Cyborgs.
Posted October 28, 2017
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Bookwyrm627: A1) If Adalia or HSL were scum and on Hunter's team, then there isn't much reason for Hunter to use his conversion shot instead of one of them because Hunter wasn't at risk of lynch.
said it before, but I'll say it again: A1 is exactly the opposite in my assessment of the situation. Exactly because they were so near a lynch as they were, them flipping scum would cast a bad light on a lot of people (even enemies of enemies) , whereas hunter flipping doesn't, so for me it is pretty safe to assume neither hsl nor adalia would risk to flip themselves and rather leave the conversion attempt to hunter.
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