You weren't even on my radar until flubbucket was revealed as the N1 recruit (oh, yeah, I had no knowledge of roles in this game ;)). I would have chosen flubbucket too, except that I had a strong feeling trentonlf might be the Alarmist by the end of Day 1.

Anyway, I hope my flavor didn't mess things up for you too much. Mafiascum.net is very explicit on which roles the recruit had prior to being recruited in the death posts (ex. 'Mr. Fly was a cult member, formerly town vanilla'), so I assumed JMich was doing the same.

edit: bah, I guess it did mess you up. It just never even occurred to me that it wouldn't be public information, since, if flubbucket had had a town role, the Cult C9 rules even state that that knowledge would be public on lynch reveal. I, again, note that I had no idea from prior knowledge what role flubucket had; I was basing my entire flavor off of JMich's lynch post.

edit 2: I even followed the link to the mafiascum.net Micro 204 game to make sure my assumption was correct after it looked like it was becoming an issue in the game thread. Had it shown that I had been in error, I would have confessed I had known nothing for certain when I made the flavor post, and that the information I had given should be taken with a grain of salt. However, since it didn't seem as if I had over-stepped, I decided that making no statement would be less disruptive to the game.

My read of your post #443.


Why? What made you certain he'd not be a lynch candidate?


To be frank, I was pretty surprised I got those answered, but I thought I give it a shot (because that's what town would do, imo).

I can't speak for JMich, my guess would be that if you asked in private, perhaps he refused as it'd net you information that would have given an advantage, and early on.


Did anyone? I at least didn't, hence the questions I asked him; aside from wanting to see how he'd respond, I was counting on him to use my questioning to try and see angles he may have missed, because I thought he can do it, and it'd help him read and evaluate others' play.

I was mostly curious about the self-hammer, but he answered this in another post. He was on my radar since D1, I quite badly wanted to be the one to hammer him. ;-D


You also seemed to not factor in that D1 he was an uninformed townie. I was about to make a comment about all this (him being Town Vanilla D1, his D1 suspect/preferred lynch, switch of vote early on D2, etc.) today, but signed in to dedoporno's hammer.


I hope it's OK to say this, but yeah, you get caught a tad too much in that. You knowing for a fact that you're town doesn't necessarily mean that anyone and everyone suspecting you does too, i.e. is scum trying to cast shade on you. And you seem to not factor that in enough.


I'm just puzzled as to why give that bone to the town in the case that both PR roles end up in the game; keeping the flips a bit vague not only makes for a more interesting game, it also seems to make for a more balanced one.

I may well be speaking out of my rear end here, of course, since I have zero experience with setting up, balancing and modding games.

I think he means that he was trying to spin flubbucket as the Cult Leader, based off of JMich's lynch post for flubbucket. Then, my flavor post was more precise on flubbucket's role, and it threw him off.

I'll be honest, though, given the way flubucket's play changed from Day 1 to Day 2, I never would have bought that flubbucket wasn't the recruit on Night 1. When looking at flubbucket's Day 2 play (after Lifthrasil's claim made me take a closer look), it just screamed 'recruit playing distraction' to me.

You would have to ask the creators of the set-up. JMich was following the guidelines for the game rather exactly.

Ah, you're probably right, it's exactly what I thought he was doing in his post #443.

And yes, given how they played on both Days, I wouldn't have bought it either, mostly because of dedoporno's play on D2.


Fair enough, I'm just saying that I don't see why he couldn't have deviated a bit from them. Perhaps he can answer us when he gets to officially closing the game.

In the meantime, and since I have some time on my hands right now, do you happen to have the QT links?

I'm good with constructive criticism.

I've heard that step 1 is admitting that (generic) you have a problem. I'm still trying to work out step 2, and figuring out when scum is trying to set me up and when it is a townie that has just had enough of my boop.

You've probably already thought of this, but if the flips change based on whether the roles are in the game, then the first flip will tell everyone whether the roles are present or not.

As to whether it should be given at all, I don't know.

Nothing, I never said that. Once he got reported it was obvious he was going to be the lynch so I shifted my game towards that and both of us tried to sell he was the CL and go from there. Back then I still didn't know for sure that there will be a distinct flip, otherwise I wouldn't have went that way. Later on, if I managed to get one more recruit, under the correct circumstances even if I was lynched WIFOM would still be possible since there wouldn't have been a gurarantee if the CL still lives on or not. In any case follow the cop without lynching was that much less probably just because town wouldn't know they could get away with it. You can't get mislynches if if there aren't any lynches happening, but if they are still going WIFOM can always take you to an unimaginable places.


Well, then you can add one more item to the list of personal differences :) I've shut down such questions as a mod and since I don't think they should be answered I wouldn't ask them since I see them mostly as LAMIST.


He didn't reject answering, he said he didn't know at the time. Anyway, what's done is done.


As for 443 I'm just going to accept that you were 100% spot on since I don't feel like re-reading any more stuff now that the game is over.


Of course if flub had a town role it would have shown. That's clearly stated in the rules page and I was well aware of it. But having the explicit note that PRs flip with their original roles should imply the same doesn't apply for Vanillas. Otherwise it would have been written in a more geneneric, nono-binding way. Or I may be reading the rules wrong, no idea. If flub wasn't vanilla we would have had a non-counter-claimable town role to work with and the game would have probably gone in a different direction anyway.

It happened as it did, we had fun so it's all good.
Oh yeah, was there any significance to the roll calls at any point? Originally I was afraid that day 2 may start with something like "On D1 the there X roll calls the cult took/didn't take part into". When Krypsyn posted his first song response I flinched a bit since it was "My Own Worst Enemy" - I was like "I may have screwed myself..." :D

I hadn't thought of that from the beginning, but it struck while I was thinking about it now.

But my question was exclusively in terms of the current game, as it was the first time both PRs were in play here (and changing it in a future game would make "assumptions are dangerous" all the more true, hehe). And the reason is that being suspect of dedoporno, I checked the previous iteration before getting on his back for his post #443, and the flip there was "Cultist", not "Cult Member". That gave me pause, so decided to ask for clarification, in spite the reveal in Krypsyn's flavour post. Perhaps JMich made it public knowledge when I asked because Krypsyn had already revealed it?

To get players talking on Day 1, and throwing accusations around. I think it was a success.

Yeah, the song was really just a way to say the the NWA was working against itself, and there was a traitor among you. It had references to getting drunk and making bad decisions. Also, I like Lit.

I wonder if I would have done things differently had I known the roles of the game? Co-moderator WIFOM! :P

edit:
Oh, remember this:

The roll calls are <redacted by JMich>. Whether <redacted by JMich> will <redacted by JMich>. If <redacted by JMich> or <redacted by JMich> then there will be <redacted by JMich>. So, my advice would be <redacted by JMich> and <redacted by JMich> or <redacted by JMich>.

Let me see if I can fill in the blanks from memory (I wrote it all out, then just redacted parts to make it ambiguous):

"The roll calls are entirely up to the player. Whether a player replies or not will have no bearing on the mechanics of the game. If the player plays along or just ignores it then there will be no consequences from the moderators. So, my advice would be to play along and have fun or just ignore it entirely."

I think that is about 95% right. (Not really certain what I originally had for the third sentence, honestly. It doesn't seem right, but that would be the gist of it)

Reminder:

I play for fun. You kidz are great!
Also thanks JMich and Krypsyn for hosting.

The Greater Good - Woo we won :)

I had very much fun thank you guys for the nice game and all the uplifting words for me. I'd really love to play with you again ('though my wife probably won't put up with it at least in the next few weeks ;) Spent way too much time, but I do get invested and that's something I love about playing mafia with all of you.

Anyway I think some apologies are in order:

@Bookwyrm - oops, had you wrong, I'm sorry. I do get carried away and I'll try to take what HSL said about trying to see others as suspicious but uninformed townies, rather than scum casting shade, to heart. But I really was so sure and only after dedoporno kept interupting and defending you, I started to consider that I shouldn't have tunneled all on you but looked a bit left and right. and well to dedo, too.
In the end I think you are the one, that gave the winning clues. suggesting the follow the cop + pointing out flubs HSL connection, which really exposed dedo for me when he defended it.

Also didn't you mention something about a scum play you thought up after a comment by trent and that you'd really love to see happen because it's so neat? I really can't find it right now, but if you know what I mean, care to explain what it was? (didn't want to ask in game, because well, we don't want scum to get any ideas ;)

@Trent: uhm, sorry about going on and on about how I think alarmist shouldn't claim.
You winning the game with it (and it truly helped tremendously by making you obvitown for all intents and purposes) shows that you did the right thing :) Kudos! Great game. Plus, I should remember to really listen if you have someone on your scumradar. suspecting dedo already on day 1 is amazing. I had him all town.

Sidenote (But):
Gaping. this could have still gone horribly wrong.... O.O ... but it didn't :D
oh well, it's just a game isn't it. I have to learn to not take it that much to heart. we're playing for fun as flub puts it.

also very good game @dedoporno. you had me fooled until the almost very end. #476 to be exact.

@HSL Thank you for prompting me and asking me questions, that I had to research. Helped me a lot to get into the game and form opinions and write them down. Immensly helpful. But how do you do it? this is so much work. and you come up with stuff and details it's simply amazing. well I guess more training for me is in order :)

in retrospect, I think I've been wrong about most anything: HSL first, then Hunter then Trents Claiming then Wyrm. :/ oops. sorry. well, I tried. But I had a lot of fun nonetheless, Thank you guys for putting up with me anyway.
true. Btw. I'm still working on that length vs. girth chart ;) making progress.... expect visualisations :D

Great. I can hardly wait.

That was actually me. I was setting up for a potential follow-up in the next day but from a Town perspective it was true - if I were Town and that were to happen I would have loved it.

I did mention it in-game. It was basically flub's [unintentional] soft-claim - as you yourself noted he mentioned about shining on D3 which suggested a power role and later on he had an exchange with Lift that finished with a joke about Trump and building walls. The bit about someone else building a wall around him felt like a subtle request for protection - if all of the above was true he was soft-claiming the Inqusitor and asking for the Alarmist's assistant. If flub was the CL and did that, and others got the same impression as myself, including the Alarmist he might have gotten that protection. Getting the protection would have meant the real Inquisitor wouldn't have gotten it hence the chance of bagging them on D1 increased. Under the right circumstances and with some luck CL flub could have gotten fantastic results based on what he did. It was a longshot (it it was real, that is) but the chain of events and the potential results in such situation made me smile :)

wow. ok, I notice again how much stuff I'm not noticing. never even occured to me that the "building walls" bit could have been asking for protection. very cool, thanks for explaining.