Sorry about last night; too much drinking (and eating) into the late hours. Will go through the thread now, and post/comment/answer questions as I catch up.

In the meantime, could a native English-speaker tell me what that "hash slung" flubbucket said means? I looked it up, and all I got was something about fast food, but I can't see how that applies here.

By the way, can someone tell me who is George Zimmerman (I have a basic idea after some googling, I actually knew the guy's face from a reaction gif, but I always thought he was a politician) and why does he need his name changed? And why that name is supposed to be an allusion to him.

I was thinking perhaps I scared away a killer. But yogs was the one who indicated intent to kill him. I doubt a hit man gets scared away.

Slinging hash is a fast food term. I was using it as a colloquial expression of saying something resembling something.....much like "hash" resembles food.

He was a neighborhood watch guy who shot and killed a young man some years ago. Really quite tragic.

I'm not 100% certain about this, but more certain than not. It relates to the glaucoma portion of my PM. At first, I didn't know what it meant but figured it was included in the PM for a reason. I asked initially and didn't receive any clarification. Once we had players who claimed they report/flip as a different alignment, I thought glaucoma made sense in that context. I was not able to see players as clearly as I otherwise might. When we got the N1 flips, it still seemed to fit. I was able to ask more directed questions at that point. The responses seemed to confirm my understanding.

The responses could be left open to interpretation - similar to how Bookwyrm likes to do with his wording in games. I'm more inclined to take our mod at face value.

I believe town/"town" would flip as the same alignment as well as neutral/"neutral" and mafia/'mafia".


As I mentioned to flubb, I think I was off on this one.

There were accusations it was racially motivated and received a lot of media attention. It's one of several incidents in more recent years that contributed to race relations being a hot topic in the US.

When you say "flip" do you actually mean investigate or am I not understanding properly?

Yes, I meant investigate, not flip.

Do you believe flub's claim? Why would the name of the real character be changed to something else? Let's say he is that Zimmerman guy - how does the shyness factor in with in that context?

@HSL, how about you? What's your take on the two new claims? You said I was overlooking something that is supposed to be obvious. To me is not that obvious, I guess, so I'm still waiting for you to point it out.

So, picking up from where I left off.


Sage103082 was an unlimited Town Vigilante in RWarehall's game #30; she was restricted initially which made her role less powerful, so I wasn't so quick to dismiss that maybe RWarehall put something similar in this game too. flubbucket claimed a shyness role mechanic that may prevent him from succeeding every time he tries. That was based on his post #928.

OTOH, he may too remember that game, and made the shyness mechanic up for believability. Which I don't put past him.


Can you lay out your thought process of why the consequent failures would lead him to believe cristigale is Town?


Picking and killing drealmer7, and not necessarily for in-game reasons, is actually the one bit about his claim I can easily believe is true, whatever his alignment is. And his reply seems to confirm my initial thought.



He said that he attempted to kill cristigale two Nights in a row but failing to do so he concluded that another player (you or I) attempted to kill her on the same Nights. Even without knowing about his shyness, assuming it's true, the conclusion he reached stood out to me more than anything else he said in post #928 (which was just a few lines long, btw) - "I failed to kill her, so one of the two of you tried to kill her on the same Nights". cristigale's follow up question shows that she noticed it too. Yet you didn't blink an eye.


I actually said that to see your reaction. Which is quite interesting given that you lectured Sage103082 on her "How to be Town 101" types of comments.




I didn't intend to interfere with that question of mine. And frankly, I don't quite see what exactly the problem is, as I fail to see the purpose of that line of questioning - even if she's Neutral, do you really think she'd be like "Yeah, I'm Neutral, so wanted the game to have ended, at least for me", and my question to you held her off? Do you really think that cristigale is the sort of player to feel overwhelmed by playing a Neutral role, more so to the point she'd wish/hope for the game to have ended or her to have died? Or did you think that "you win when the game ends or you die on N3" could be her win condition as Neutral?

I struggle to see why you went there, and what you hoped to achieve; cristigale isn't docbear1975 (no offence meant), yet that seems to be your argument in your post #934.

I also couldn't help but notice that while post #923 was (allegedly?) about getting a read on Neutral-cristigale, after she explained herself, you used her post #935 to give a reason for your inconsistencies, omissions and mistakes (post #936), when she didn't say anything of that sort.

Which brings me to your "more and more leaning towards a Neutral judging by his posts" (post #934). My posts seem to have become damning in your eyes ever since I started to question some of the things you said.


Why does your potential lynch require the rest of us to come out as non-town?


And I don't see why I should take responsibility for something I didn't do. Would you?


For so many shy people to be in the game, we seem to have an awfully high number of dead people, don't you think?


And if his role fits the execution style kill the most, then his target would have to have been bler144, in which case he didn't attempt to kill HijacK on N1 anyway.

Cheers, I assumed it wasn't anything positive since you voted him, but I'd still like to understand what exactly about his post #929 did it for you.


I still don't see why and how: another player attempting to "do" something to your intended target => something else besides a doctor save was in play = another player attempted to kill her while you were trying to do the same.

Can you break it down for me?

Assuming you're truthful about your shyness role mechanic, is there anything about it that points to "another attempts to do something = another killing attempt"?

Also, why did you think that it was the same player interfering with your kill on both Nights?

And last, but not least, why did you change your mind and think it less likely now?


Is a silent letter also invisible in US English? ;-P


So, in regards to your role, it's supposed to convey "poor good guy tries to kill innocent town cop"? Why does Shooty McShootpants specifically allude to that guy?



And since I'm asking about this:

Since you can see both why and how George Zimmerman fits, and why the name would be changed, can you explain it to me?


When I first saw the name Shooty McShootpants I thought "that sounds quite a bit like the name Krypsyn had in game #37 where he was a SK", so I looked it up; Krypsyn's name was "Dr. Slashy McNastipants".

And speaking of Shooty McShootpants, you asked him for the progression behind his conclusion that multiple players tried to kill you on N2 and N3. He replied to you in post #939.

Are you satisfied with his reply, especially in the context of the reason he gave for wanting you dead so badly that he tried to kill you two Nights in a row? If so, why? If not, why didn't you question him further on the matter?


At first, I also thought that it doesn't seem like a mafia kill. But then I remembered that trentonlf was the mastermind behind those human pretzels, so if RWarehall's open to flavour from the players (he was in game #30), the M.O. doesn't necessarily preclude mafia from being responsible for it. Not that a third-party killer isn't a good fit too, of course.


And what if one or both are lying?

No, I didn't kill JMich. And I wonder why he was picked. I mean, given what trentonlf said D3, JMich should be a good D4 lynch-candidate, and if anyone would want to off him that should be the Town Vigilante, but none of the claimed Town Vigilantes say they did, so why was he killed N3?


So, do you suffer from cataracts or glaucoma?



I'm still processing the information, and trying to piece things together. My own night-actions don't seem to shed much light. And being tired and dozing off also doesn't help.


Which brings me to:

@mod - I kindly request not to set the deadline for tomorrow, Friday the 14th of July, and give me (us?) more time. Thank you.

I'm leaning to a Monday evening deadline as Flub has talked about going on vacation starting tomorrow. But it's a topic open for discussion. It is summer (at least for us in the northern hemisphere) and my goal is to find deadlines that work for the players given it's vacation season.

No, because I was trying to build one by understanding how flub is interpreting the information claims to have. I was asking him a question with the intent of understanding what his thought process was and how that was an indication of cristi's townieness to which I didn't get an answer.


I consider #929 as an eye blinking since I did ask how the failures make cristi town. Forgive me if I don't play the game in the way you would like or note everything in the way you believe it should be noted, or comment on it in the way you feel it should be commented on. Then again, if it fits your personal agenda to point it out, feel free to use it as levarage.


Right.


What does that have to do with the price of eggs?! When I say "I might be" how am I trying to look Town exactly? I'm actually risking others to try and capitalize on that for free. Like what you're doing right now. It's exactly the opposite of trying to look town. I'm being honest as a Forum Mafia player - yes, I will always claim I'm Town but I cannot deny the possibility that I'm lying about it since this is the core concept of the game. Everyone is aware of it so there is no point in trying to gain credit based on that. Espeacially when it comes to another player's perspective who don't have information to work with and have to suspect me by default. My point about Sage was that she was trying to get value out of something that is very cheap. You are doing a very similar thing here - sure, the topic is slightly different but the value to be gained is again very little.


I actually said that to see her reaction.


My argument in 934 is that cristigale resembles docbear? Wat?

Cristi said she hoped the game would be over or she would be dead. To me it's less likely that a Town or Mafia player say or mean something like this since they are not alone in the game and may be the last chance of their team. On the other hand a Neutral played is responsible only for their own game and wouldn't be limited by something like that if they decided on not making further attempt. That's why I went there. Regardless if you see purpose or not.


Yes. I don't like the way you overquestion things. You are trying just a bit too hard to question every line of text. Sometimes there are good points, other times they are thing but add up with other thin things, so more of it just to make sure. Which is what I've seen in your scum games before. And it's probably easier to do it and make it look good if you are Neutral since you are basically in the same boat as a town player - you are not limited by a connection with another person.

As you said earlier I do make mistakes and allow inconsistencies in my play which because of various reasons I'm not going to mention (everyone is free to interpret them in whatever way suits them) and you are trying to capitalize on this. Which is fine, that's the point of the game after all. It's still a matter of perspective, so it may seem like you're on a right track from where you're standing from (or you may just be trying to make it look like it seems that way), but from where I am you are feeling the waters on everyone and looking for the path of least resistance so you can move further. And now that I have flub's vote you just need cristi's, so it's only natural you do it. That's all.


I said "flash" lynch. I don't know about you but to me that's very revealing.


Of course not. That's why I said I can't see that happening, especially after how you wanted to see my reaction about it earlier.


I don't understand what you are trying to say here. It seems like you are trying to mock the idea of having mutiple shy killerse, even though my line of questioning to cristi was trying to show exactly how unlikely this is.


I'm under the impression this was the common understanding so far until cristi suggested otherwise on why Hijack didn't die. So yes, I still think that's the case.

Good Grief. I could fuck up a two car funeral.