Lol, patience is a virtue. Didn't see your post until I posted. :-)

OK, I think it's fine to proceed with this but we need to be careful since we are still not out of the woods if there are 3 scum hiding among the 4 non-confirmed people. If we happen to mislynch and there is another NK tonight we are probably screwed.


By now it should be fairly obvious that we have an actual Doctor. What we don't know is whether or not it's a gimped doctor (can't save self and/or the same person twice in a row) so we'll have to gamble just a bit here. I no longer have a reason to not trust flub without making outrageous theories so I think he is our strongest asset now and we have keep him alive and investigating at all costs. Everyone else is expendable for his sake.


That means the Doctor will have to act as a Bodyguard and serve as a human shield for flub (If not gimped, of course. That information is probably best kept a secret, Doc, just to keep the scum guessing) so we get at least one more cop read.


So, here we go.

On N1 I visited Dessimu who visited Hunter. Hunter is alive and Dessimu is confirmed Town.


Since we already have 2 investigative roles I'd say Dessimu is our Doctor. Dess, sorry for sacrificing you, I hope you understand why I'm doing it. We win together as Town.


On N2 I visited Hunter who visited nobody. Hunter is also confirmed which would make him yet another Vanilla probably.


I already spoke about N3 - flub visited me. I'm alive and he didn't blacken me in any way so he and his reads are OK in my book.


I said I got an updated PM from Yog. Originally both of my targets visited nobody. Just today I got the revised PM after Yog realized he messed it up. It was even like 2-3 hours after I got Tonight's PM. Fortunately it didn't hurt the game.


As for Today in the light of the latest claims I'd vote for CSPVG, trent or cristi, but I prefer CSPVG since he was my top candidate Yesterday and cristi claimed a power role that may be of use if true. From the 4 unconfirmed people HSL seems like the least likely to be scum to me based on the discussions he had so far, but I keep getting surprised at who flips what lately so who knows.

Word.

What can I say... I did not see this coming.

So far the situation looks... Well, crazy. 13 players. 3 confirmed vanillas. 1 serial killer. Assumed, yet neither one of them confirmed by a flip: town cop, doctor, tracker and one shot vigilante. We assume there to be 2-3 scum. How is it that this small group of pure evil is not yet lynched? If we, as town, have all those roles - what kind of power should mafia have to counter that?

We have one scenario, where flub is telling the truth. In turn, we now have a small pool of suspects: trent, CSPVG, HSL, cristigale.
Another scenario is where flub is lying. Then we are all suspects.

Since we are at the end of our rope, lets believe flub and discard the second option (as in, flub is not a lying mafia scum, but an actual town cop).

Is dedoporno really a tracker? Since I discarded an option of flub being mafia... We have to assume dedo really is a tracker. Why? Because of LAL. And Town should never lie. Plus, I find the whole confused behavior of yogsloth to be a tricky situation. I mean, lying about something that moderator did or did not do is kinda serious.

So... Flub is cop, then dedo is a tracker.

Ok... Is cristigale a one-shot-vigilante? She is not a confirmed (by flub) Town, so she is in the pool of current 4 suspects. Though her play in this game seemed to be consistent. Her claim is a WIFOM. But the paraphrasing of PM sounds like something yogsloth could think of. We can't discard her claim as bollocks, because we lack any evidence. So in this situation it would be wiser to hope for the best. As in, believe cristigale.

If we choose to believe her... Should we advice her to use her shot tonight? If so - who to shoot? At this point, we seem to be at "theoretical power roles" advantage and if not - we are a lost cause anyway, so there's no real threat in discussing this thing loudly. I would suggest to shoot trentonlf. But don't take my word for it yet. This is a premature idea. I somehow didn't like how trentonlf said himself being town vanilla. Though I do not remember such post of his, so if someone could point it out (preferably, you, cristigale), it would be amazing. I also did not like how cristigale answered my question for trentonlf about his allignement/possible role. For if trentonlf himself would have answered, maybe he would have said "Guys, I am definitely a Town Terminator" or something like that. And we would know he lied! And we would lynch him! Now... Cristigale has prevented that. Either a premature action, or a one scum "informing" another scum to not make a slip.

Either way... Trentonlf looks suspicious. He was too good, too nice to be town. And unlike HypersomniacLive, I think trentonlf did much less scum hunting. So, yeah... If cristigale is not lynched and she is vigilante, I'd suggest her to shoot trentonlf.

As for the doctor thing... What can I say... I thought I would live to the end without secrets revealed. "Thank you", dedo.




And since CSPVG was acting strange for the bigger part of this game and he has been on my suspect list, I am fine with lynching him.

Vote CSPVG

A bit more as to why? Cristigale is a WIFOM, trentonlf is just too good, HSL is smart and unreadable. CSPVG is the only one, who through the whole game has acted very strangely (from time to time at least (take his stories for example)). Anything more about CSPVG has already been said in many of previous posts by a number of players.

EBWOP: 4* confirmed vanillas

Sorry about that, mate. To be honest it would have been kind of obvious who is the doctor after I share my reports for the previous nights anyway if you think about a bit and do the math.

As for the Vig kill I'm not sure if using it is a good idea but others may share their thoughts on it as well. My concern is that if she is really a Vigi and trent or whoever is her target happens to be actually Town something nasty may happen. Pure numbers would suggest that even in that case we should just lynch the other 2 unconfirmed people and we'll win because the mafia doesn't have enough time to catch up with us. But still, do we need it this night?

I think that yes, we need, because otherwise we are too close to losing anyway. So lets make the most out of current situation. What do others say? What do you think, cristigale?

We are? I think we are still in a decent condition especially if we hit scum Today. But last night's save bought us one more day which is fantastic. If we mislynch Today, though, and there are 2 Townie NKs Tonight for some reason we are probably done for. That's why I think the vig kill shouldn't happen in case we mislynch. If we get a scum it should be less dangerous.

I'm going to bed now. I'll be back on in a few hours.

Interesting claim by cristi. I shouldn't have asked dedo for the info on who he visited. (I asked [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_37_murder_at_the_womens_institute/post702]CSPVG did) Sorry dessimu.
Sounds like a good idea to me. It would help confirm her role and at the same time we would be taking down scum.

Hey everyone, and sorry for not checking in sooner, things have been very hectic for me, a lot more than initially anticipated.

I see we had a few developments, and thankfully we made it through N3 intact, shame we can't say the same about those squirrels, or Dean Sloth.

Still haven't managed to do that re-read on CSPVG, need to re-read cristigale in relation to her claim (if true, it's a nice ace), and two more claims - well, technically one claim and one outing.

I hope to have at least a bit more time after tomorrow evening, and over the weekend, as there are a couple of things I'd like to revisit, and not just CDPVG. For now, I'd like to ask:

@dedoporno - I'm extremely tired, and should already be in bed, so am probably missing something, but why does Hunter65536 not doing anything on N2 mean that he's Vanilla? Do we know if he did anything, and what, on N1 and N3?
And to be clear - I'm not, indirectly, asking Hunter65536 to claim if he happens to not be Vanilla.

@Dessimu - why did you protect Hunter65536 on N1? And who did you protect N2, and why? I assume that you protected flubbucket N3, yes?

@cristigale - if you were to use your shot Tonight, who would you pick?

Godfather had crossed my mind too, what do others think?


OK, need to go catch some zzzzs now, have to be up in about 3hrs.

@dessimu - trent claimed here in his response to dedo. It was easy to miss tucked in with the flavor.

@hyper - trent is my top pick

@dessimu - I'm OK either holding my shot or using it. If we are in agreement on someone (like trent) being scum, it gives us more breathing room tomorrow. It may be my last opportunity to use it. I'm good with whatever is consensus.

It doesn't mean that but it strongly suggests it. We know he is Town so unless he has some one-shot power I don't have a good reason why a power role Townie wouldn't leverage their ability each night to gain value from it. Vigilante is among the only powers one is likely to keep unused. Cristi already claimed Vigi and Hunter didn't counter claim. The other role that has one-shot abilities that I can think of is JOAT but I doubt we would have both JOAT and a Vigilante in the same game since they are the same thing usually.


Who do you believe would be godfather if there is one?

So you protected him on the basis of a sarcastic remark I made in reference to drealmer's reasons for not wanting to reveal the names? Alright, I guess.

Also, do you have any actual reason for voting for me other than your belief that I'm acting 'strangely'? It seems a very tenuous reason to me.

Everyone: What are your reads on trentonlf?