Posted March 03, 2016
flubbucket
"Intoning"
Registered: Dec 2012
From Micronesia
Hunter65536
New GOGlin
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted March 03, 2016
Not sure, but I think it's just flavor. If I didn't think it was just flavor I wouldn't have said any name as I am against discussing PM info at all unless a situation calls for it, but there's never a situation on day one that calls for it (IMO).
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted March 03, 2016
Well... I really wanted to post a link to a clip from a movie (PCU), but I am having a hard time finding anyone to reply to who makes any sense in context.
So, here it is anyway!
Unvote: trentonlf
Vote: Leonard03
So, here it is anyway!
Unvote: trentonlf
Vote: Leonard03
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted March 03, 2016
I never said I was upset that someone won't identify themselves (in fact I said maybe we shouldn't identify ourselves quite yet.) What bothers me is you, and now trentonlf, having called out people that you don't like. Follow the logic.
If they're scum and you're town, and you have information about "not liking them" to indicate to you that they are scum, then they are not likely to come out and identify themselves.
If they're town and you're town, you've alienated yourself from someone else/them from you arbitrarily, when you should be working together, despite not liking them. They also won't know you are town or scum if they are town, and so with you having said that about them, they'll probably err on the side of being cautious and not identify themselves.
My issue isn't directly that we don't know who that person is, my issue is that we may have come to know who that person is, and now you've influenced that information, prior to them being revealed, and so, even if they reveal themselves, they are kind of "tainted", as is Leandra Dent. Follow, HSL, and others?
Let's try this:
Would Leandra Dent or Chaoji Huozhe care to indentify themselves? If so, what do you make of dedo or trent not liking you? Do you not like them reversely or do you perhaps not like someone else or what? Uhhuh, let's see what kind of response that gets.
Let me ask this. Why did you, dedo and trent, want to identify people you don't like? What purpose does it serve in trying to figure out this mess?
Some of you certainly don't seem like University Faculty material. The lack of intellect is apparent. Dean Sloth seems to have been fooled by some of you into letting you work here, or was manipulated somehow.
I for one am glad the cops were not called. We are smart (some of us) and capable, we can handle our own mess, and this is not the sort of publicity the school needs before even opening. If we handle this smoothly and without much further incident, I am confident we will be able to start classes on time. I'm glad Dean Sloth has confidence in us being able to do so, I think we can manage as well, as long as we stay focused and use logic to rule our minds, not emotion ruling our...whatever else.
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted March 03, 2016
I think, after some of you started to share names, that we should either all share our names - or nobody (more). What do you think? Do the names contain anything dangerous? Or are they just flavour? I am willing to share mine (and I also have someone I don't like in my PM).
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted March 03, 2016
Oh, I meant to note this yesterday. "HE"?! My goodness, I thought were were all women, though certainly not all ladies. Do you know something we don't or were you not paying attention at the social or...what?
Lifthrasil: I think, after some of you started to share names, that we should either all share our names - or nobody (more). What do you think? Do the names contain anything dangerous? Or are they just flavour? I am willing to share mine (and I also have someone I don't like in my PM). I at least think perhaps those who named people they don't like, should give their own names, and that might be something close to fairer. Dessimu is the only one who has self-identified, but that hasn't been edited into the "discovered information" yet, and I find that very curious.
I would be for us all emptying our purses though, as I am no longer confident that we are all women here, and fear we may have more than just imposters from that other lesser school, but men pretending to be women, and, I cannot abide by that.
And can we please do something with this body? Isn't there a men's bathroom attached to the boardroom for spouses visiting or something, can't we put her in one of the stalls? It's so very impractical keeping her here.
I would be for us all emptying our purses though, as I am no longer confident that we are all women here, and fear we may have more than just imposters from that other lesser school, but men pretending to be women, and, I cannot abide by that.
And can we please do something with this body? Isn't there a men's bathroom attached to the boardroom for spouses visiting or something, can't we put her in one of the stalls? It's so very impractical keeping her here.
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
Posted March 03, 2016
flubbucket
"Intoning"
Registered: Dec 2012
From Micronesia
Posted March 03, 2016
............<snip>............
I find what you did absolutely scummy and the straw I'm grasping at D1 so far.
vote dedoporno
I never said I was upset that someone won't identify themselves (in fact I said maybe we shouldn't identify ourselves quite yet.) What bothers me is you, and now trentonlf, having called out people that you don't like. Follow the logic.
If they're scum and you're town, and you have information about "not liking them" to indicate to you that they are scum, then they are not likely to come out and identify themselves.
If they're town and you're town, you've alienated yourself from someone else/them from you arbitrarily, when you should be working together, despite not liking them. They also won't know you are town or scum if they are town, and so with you having said that about them, they'll probably err on the side of being cautious and not identify themselves.
My issue isn't directly that we don't know who that person is, my issue is that we may have come to know who that person is, and now you've influenced that information, prior to them being revealed, and so, even if they reveal themselves, they are kind of "tainted", as is Leandra Dent. Follow, HSL, and others?
Let's try this:
Would Leandra Dent or Chaoji Huozhe care to indentify themselves? If so, what do you make of dedo or trent not liking you? Do you not like them reversely or do you perhaps not like someone else or what? Uhhuh, let's see what kind of response that gets.
Let me ask this. Why did you, dedo and trent, want to identify people you don't like? What purpose does it serve in trying to figure out this mess?
Some of you certainly don't seem like University Faculty material. The lack of intellect is apparent. Dean Sloth seems to have been fooled by some of you into letting you work here, or was manipulated somehow.
I for one am glad the cops were not called. We are smart (some of us) and capable, we can handle our own mess, and this is not the sort of publicity the school needs before even opening. If we handle this smoothly and without much further incident, I am confident we will be able to start classes on time. I'm glad Dean Sloth has confidence in us being able to do so, I think we can manage as well, as long as we stay focused and use logic to rule our minds, not emotion ruling our...whatever else.
You...quoted..... "you have information about "not liking them" to indicate to you that they are scum,"
Town don't know scum now.
You...quoted....."They also won't know you are town or scum if they are town"
QFT
You...quoted..... "We are smart (some of us)"
agentcarr16
Vagabond
Registered: Mar 2014
From Canada
Posted March 03, 2016
Sorry, forgot about this.
Yeah... just not paying enough attention. I read the OP and whatever, but when replying I just wrote what I thought of first.
drealmer7: (...)
Do you know something we don't or were you not paying attention at the social or...what?
(...) Again, just not paying enough attention. Dessimu is a 'he', so I referred to him, as opposed to his character in game.
TBH, there is no way I'm going to remember to refer to everyone as 'she'. So please don't expect me to.
Unvote
I'm fine with sharing my name if that's the general consensus, and I also have someone in my PM that I don't like.
Yeah... just not paying enough attention. I read the OP and whatever, but when replying I just wrote what I thought of first.
Do you know something we don't or were you not paying attention at the social or...what?
(...)
TBH, there is no way I'm going to remember to refer to everyone as 'she'. So please don't expect me to.
Unvote
I'm fine with sharing my name if that's the general consensus, and I also have someone in my PM that I don't like.
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted March 03, 2016
I think everyone has a name in their PM of someone they don't like. I still think it's simply flavor and has no bearing on the game. To me it's like those movies that portray a bunch of women getting together and each of them instantly dislikes one of the others for what ends up being vain or stupid reasons just for comedy relief.
Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
Posted March 03, 2016
(Reading OP) I understand a killer/killers not paying attention to JMich in those few hours while we were getting to know one another... But how come we all were such pigs and pay no attention to JMich for a few hours at all?
Who will replace JMich (Dr. Jamie C. Hellas), Professor of Economics? This question is just of flavor-wise curiosity, not scum hunting. But to open the Institute, we need to find a replacement professor. And then we will need replacement(s) for other subject professor(s) (to replace those lady killer(s)). Dean, get to work!
We can drop JMich out the window. And the plant too. And then call someone to give them both a proper burial.
That hockey lover is behind this. Mark my words. That hockey lover is behind this.
I am not getting into that much detail like drealmer did, but this saying is all kinds of bad. Might be a prove of something particular though. But still, timing is bad and the way you present it is strange.
While your logic is logical, you made an overall mistake. Lets say that Chaoji exists and is scum. So, first, you presented a full case for Chaoji why (s)he should not reveal him/herself. Twice through all posts. Or three times even. And then you ask Chaoji to reveal him/herself. Drealmer, are you scum, protecting your scum buddy?
Why state the obvious then at all?
Sounds very "lady-like"
Sounds even more "lady-like".
Wrong. Never seen it.
Sharing names by the flavor design is left for us to decide. I shared mine because it is a common thing for adults, strangers, to introduce themselves. I have been traveling a lot in the world and I must say that even penguins are more polite than some of you. No finger pointing though. Sharing name and sharing PM information are two different things. In my opinion, at this point to say anything else than your name is bad form. Too early. Too good for scum to make more precise future plans and deceptions. So if you have info about liking, not liking, working, not working, having any kind of special relationship with anyone - keep it to yourself for now. We are at Day 1. We, as town, are at disadvantage. Scum, whoever they are, know who of us are town.
Sharing flavor-names gives you personally an insight as to who you actually have or not have that special relationship, mentioned in PM (if there even is one). Hooray! Use that. For your own personal judgement, not public. Not now. Some players said "My PM mentions I do not like someone". Is this in any way solid? No. This flavor is different from the last game. PMs are constructed differently. And "I do not like *someone*" in the end may be just a mindless finger pointing at one another.
To sum up my blabbering: sharing flavor names is fine; sharing anything else is bad.
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted March 03, 2016
I never said I was upset that someone won't identify themselves (in fact I said maybe we shouldn't identify ourselves quite yet.) What bothers me is you, and now trentonlf, having called out people that you don't like. Follow the logic.
If they're scum and you're town, and you have information about "not liking them" to indicate to you that they are scum, then they are not likely to come out and identify themselves.
If they're town and you're town, you've alienated yourself from someone else/them from you arbitrarily, when you should be working together, despite not liking them. They also won't know you are town or scum if they are town, and so with you having said that about them, they'll probably err on the side of being cautious and not identify themselves.
My issue isn't directly that we don't know who that person is, my issue is that we may have come to know who that person is, and now you've influenced that information, prior to them being revealed, and so, even if they reveal themselves, they are kind of "tainted", as is Leandra Dent. Follow, HSL, and others?
~snip for economy~ [...]
We have player A who calls player B by their role-name while stating that they don't like them.
- If player A is Town and player B is Mafia, then the info in player's A PM is meaningful in terms of scum-hunting, and they could use that to support any arguments against player B down the road. That seems to be your argument. How come? Because in this case this piece of info would be interpreted by player A as the moderator having given them a heads up on player B - "hey, keep an eye on player <insert role-name>, you don't like them"?
- If both players are Town, what does the info in player's A PM mean in terms of scum-hunting? If player A chooses to take it as a possible heads up from the mod, then it would have distracted/obstructed them in finding scum, and when it finally comes to light, player A would think "hey, the moderator was just messing with me, what a dick". You yourself argue that in this case the info is "arbitrary", which seems to imply that it's not in the first case.
You also haven't accounted for the case player A being Mafia and player B being Town - what purpose would such info serve in this case? Mafia don't really need a heads up from the moderator, and they certainly can't be messed with by him, as they know who their buddies are. Or would the mod give them the role-name of one of their buddies as the one they dislike? Why would he do that?
And what about possible third-party players? Do they take a liking/disliking to someone in particular? What meaning does it have in their case? How do they use this info?
Unless you're implying that the non-town PMs are different in this aspect. Wouldn't that give Town an advantage to break the game based on PM info and talk?
Do you really think that the moderator would consciously turn the PMs into means that can influence the game one way or the other? More so in our favour? With the mod being yogsloth?
And why, after all your arguments about how what dedoporno and trentonlf did is not "pro-town", you call for more of it by more people?
So, sorry, I still don't follow the logic. I do wonder, however, if you're worried about yourself regarding that "taint" you mentioned. It'd seem that you're convinced this info has some special meaning and weight - are you concerned that you'll be "tainted" before having the chance to establish yourself as "pro-town/town" in the eyes of the rest of us? Or is it that all this talk about it won't let you use it in whatever strategy you have? Perhaps both?
Did it not cross your mind that perhaps yogsloth's having a bit of fun with this? Think about it, thirteen (13) women from the mid 1930s, fourteen (14) including our Dean, locked in a room for an indefinite time period, tasked with solving a murder without outside help, already bickering... Did it not cross your mind that the open interest in/claim of the deceased's belongings, the cocktail party reference, and trentonlf sleeping with someone after (during?) it, also serve to stage the scene?
You've stooped to insulting the intellect of others - seems to me that it's working beautifully. You might, however, want to rethink going this route in regard to that alienating you mentioned as it's not doing you any favours if you're town.
Last, but not least, look what you've done now - you made flubbucket shift her attention away from herself, even if only temporarily.
Hunter65536
New GOGlin
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Posted March 03, 2016
TBH, there is no way I'm going to remember to refer to everyone as 'she'. So please don't expect me to.
2scummy4me
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