The inside joke is actually between me and dedo. The first game it occurred in someone asked dedo if he was scum and dedo posted a link to a picture of Batman (I think) saying "bitch I might be". I went all crazy over it and gave dedo a hard time saying that was a scummy response and I thought it was a scum move. I was wrong and dedo was town and I over reacted to the picture so since then every game me and dedo are in I ask him if he's scum and he posts a pic of some sort in response.

As with flub I'm not seeing it with Hyper, he seems to be playing the same as he always does. Ask a lot of questions and holds onto his vote. The one game I think where Hyper actually was aggressive in his voting he ended up being scum (we all were that game LOL).

I will be interested to see what Hyper has to say about cristi and Lift though, they have both been flying low this game compared to others I've seen them in.

@Leonard, are you trying to post something in particular?

Only for a bit.

The last line in the posts are (is?) my response to dessimu's comment about HSL's voting.

Indeed. I view getting HSL to respond to the question as a win-win. His answer may not help us solve D2 (probably won't, in fact), but it well might come in useful later on.

I'd been coy about getting him to speak about his read on Lift, but since it's pretty much in the open, might as well ask:

HSL: What's your take on Cristi and Lift, each?

Given his note about RL issues, however, I don't think we can stand pat until he responds, however. We still have...5 not voting? CSPVG, Leonard, cristi, HSL, dedo.

We're roughly 53 hours from deadline with much work to do. I have a proposal no one will like, so why don't we instead start with the proposal that everyone should get a vote on the table for someone (existing wagon or no), with an actual argument of why they are scummy and/or why voting for that person provides the best tactical advantage.

dedo has an argument on the table of who he finds scummy but no vote. The way we're going we're going to end up rushing through a vote on whoever at the deadline just because. That's a low percentage route. Fortune favors the blonde, as they say.

This is new to me and looked like both HSL and trentonlf knew perfectly well as to what the question is. Yet like you said, seems a little bit forced, so that's why I ask HypersomniacLive about this. Not the most important thing though, I agree.

I understand perfectly well that RL may indeed be an important issue. I somehow feel like HSL wouldn't lie if he doesn't have to. Thus, his RL is serious. I myself will wait for him to respond, but if anything, I feel comfortable switching my vote to and lynching Lifthrasil. This would also give more information to analyze. Not sure about cristigale yet, she is hard to read for me as well.

Good to know. But when he was questioning drealmer and is questioning Hunter so hard, I would think it suitable to make a vote.

And fourth is a guarantee.

Bear in mind it was pretty early in Day 1 and that later on I got off CSPVG since I couldn't really tell if he was scum or town and his talking about leaves actually seemed to be flavor related fun.

Shady how? I just find them interesting. As in, not super secrets, but occupation areas, created along the flavor. We are professors, by the flavor we teach different subjects. I am supposed to teach Marketing. It's just interesting. Because if it wasn't, then why bother in creating them at all?

I was engaged in dialog because drealmer was shouting loudest and getting the most attention. By speaking to him, piece by piece, I got a better picture of whether drealmer is more of a scum or a town. Since we are all different people, thinking in different ways, seeing from different perspectives, it is perfectly normal that unlike the crowd, I eventually expressed opinion of drealmer being Town. And deep inside I feel amazing, because my belief turned out to be right.

Story about change of heart was because something just clicked inside my head. And I felt a bit annoyed that in forum mafia game every change of heart is suddenly considered to be a scum play. Yes, it could be, but it also could be just that - a change of heart, based on new details.

Lastly in this part - it is perfectly logical that scum might try to defend a Town player to get points. But would they do it so openly as I did? And like I mentioned somewhere already - if it is normal for us to guess scum, why couldn't it be normal to guess Townies as well? Because from what I have seen, most of the Town players tend to only guess who is mafia. And the big picture then is that we have a bunch of players with individual goals to win the game. We a group of townies, aren't we?

Answering what is bolded (by me):
- When I voted flubbucket, I also said that I don't have anyone else as possible scum and that flubbucket always seems scummy to me. Flubbucket NEVER answered my voting on him or my reasoning. He is just keeping out of the radar. So what else can I say about him? He is still my suspect, but seeing how HSL and Lifthrasil play, I find them more scummy and I have some possible reasons to vote them, that are related to this game and not some past experience. Where the simplest contradiction could be "Flubbucket decided to change his play style and be a good citizen".
- Again, not eager yet to see flubbucket lynched. Just compare of how I voted flubbucket and how eager I am about HSL and Lifthrasil. Also, I knew perfectly well, that mentioning game #35 puts me in the exactly same situation that I have put flub in. In the eyes of other townies. And scum could use this against me. But what else could have I said, when the only suspect I had was flubbucket in general and my guess was (and still is) perfectly logical? At least for me.

He was trying to do this. (I think)

This is not unusual for HypersomniacLive. He rarely votes. He's practically famous for not voting. He votes even less than JMich.

Thanks for clarifying that. Also, an interesting story!

@HSL: no longer need to answer question about "asking crucial question". But the rest of 'em would be good to hear about.

Well I will say you're wrong.

Does that help??

OK then, logged in to continue from where I had left off, but see that things have moved a tad since then. So, will instead address Dessimu's arguments against me, and hope to be able to return to a couple of things later on - if that will be D2 or not, I can't say at the moment.


Ah, Dessmu you're quite the entertaining type, cheers for the chuckles.

I won't go over the "inside joke", and the "me putting pressure but not voting", others covered these two points already, which should tell you that that's the truth, unless anyone that has anything to say, even remotely in my defence, immediately becomes suspect to you.

Regarding my exchange with flubbucket and the way Krypsyn was killed - because Mafia would certainly do the killing in such a way that can undoubtedly be traced back to them in the game-thread, eh? That's really smart, isn't it?
On a side note, I guess that it didn't cross your mind that yogsloth staged the scene to fit the overall flavour...

Regarding me not interacting at all with Hunter65536, Lifthrasil, and Krypsyn because I didn't want to draw attention to my "scum-buddies" - because staying completely away from certain players really does not draw any attention, eh? Oh, wait...

Let me reverse the question - did you, or everyone else in the game, interact with every single other player during D1? I've not done any re-reads (yet), so don't know the answer, but perhaps you do?
If memory serves right, there wasn't really anything to interact with them over - from what I remember, both Hunter65536 and Lifthrasil have each a handful of posts of practically nth, and Krypsyn at some point plain out told us that we're going around and around dick-talking; I'm sorry I didn't feel inclined to respond to that. Did you?

I'm sorry that my play is not what you expect from me, but fret not, I've made a note, and will see if I can accommodate you better in the future.

Regarding the fact that "NO ONE has challenged, poked or questioned me in serious way through the whole game" - the whole game? In case it escaped you, it's D2 - that's Day 2. Do you consistently challenge, poke or question in a serious way every single player every single Day, or do you latch on those you're set are scum?

Regarding my questioning Hunter65536 "almost same way as I did drealmer" - I think you need to go and do that reading on me at least once more. I've interacted with him in posts #235, 255, and 271, what kind of similar and hard questioning, and me pushing his wagon, you see in these is beyond me. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
As for my post #232, that was joke-poking him, as I remembered his comment when Krypsysn turned out to be a man. For someone that told me to not mistake a joke for something more serious, you're doing a fine job failing at following your own advice.

Regarding my "Perhaps his killer was not a woman?" to you - well, when you point out that a man would be able to physically overpower a woman, the first thing that pops to mind is that perhaps it was another disguised man that managed to kill him.

Last, but not least, since I don't know who all the threats to us are, I'm keeping an eye on everyone (I only have one, anyway).

Seriously Dessimu, you can't say that "I'm too smart to be town" and claim to mean it, then argue that I've made all these obvious, for scum, mistakes.
A rule in mafia game I've found to be golden is "make reads to fit evidence, not evidence to fit reads". You may want to keep this in mind.


@bler144
I've not indulged you yet, because, as I just told Dessimu, I've not done any re-reads yet; I'm quite pressed for time, and try to keep up with the flow of the thread in the (failed now) attempt to not fall behind.. The only thing I can tell you right now, is that I'm always wary of cristigale after that game she was scum with JMich, but would like to do a proper re-read before going into any details regarding the one we're in now. Lifthrasil's lurking, and his odd vote on flubbucket, did also not go unnoticed, but again, I'd like to do a re-read on him. You did make some interesting points, both on her and Lifthrasil, and I appreciate it. I will try my best to get these reads out (my) tomorrow, or at least before D2 is over.

As for your "despite responding to me on other points" - don't you think that's unfair? The only thing I addressed was the typo, and only because it didn't require much thinking/analysing, and the joke would be lost if I didn't do it right then.

I have to sign off now, it's very late here, and I still have to do a couple of things before trying to get some rest.

Happy IWD, my fellow professors! ;-D

1. That was the answer I expected I remember in yogs' last game I built a whole case against Lift-CSP on the interrelationship of their posts. I was, uh...half right. But that was D4 as well (and perhaps 900+ posts) and town was desperate. Considering I myself have noted Lift only had 8 posts on D1 total, I find "nothing to respond to" a reasonable explanation. The absence was notable but explainable, and I'm satisfied with the explanation.

2. This is the sort of flavor speculating I personally don't find helpful. It's not like the laws of physics apply to forum mafia, and in any case, IRL there are a number of women who could overpower a man. And if push came to shove and she can't overpower him, she can always beguile him by flashing boob to make his jaw drop, and bam, he's a goner. Do I know how the killer came to shove a curler in his mouth? No. At the moment, I don't see (anyone's) speculating on what is almost certainly just flavor moving us forward though. I do agree with what Dess said elsewhere, which is that the whole LAMIST subplot tends to point to actual women doing the killing if one wants to focus on flavor. Perhaps they will turn out to be [url=http://Crab People]Crab People[/url] dressed as men dressed as women who bother to form a society for women. But I doubt it.

3. Lol - nice rejoinder, that.

4. If I implied your failure to respond was criminally negligent or morally culpable, then sure, it would be unfair. It was a factual observation, not a judgment. As noted, I'm not inclined to vote you today, and I think it's clear I've made at least some effort to dissuade Dess from voting you today. So clearly I didn't/don't think it's of crucial importance or a matter requiring blame. I know you're busy, and can accept that it's easier to jump in and make a joke than respond at length to something that requires though.

Hopefully things smooth out IRL soon. :)

Come on people. We're never going to get tenure without writing more. Are we faculty women of WIFOM, or are we not?

As they say, publish or perish!



Except in forum mafia, it's literal rather than figurative. If not exactly real.

Thank you, I find your wisdom to produce a good laugh as well.

Overall since a number of players vouch on your behalf that questioning and non-voting is actually good old HypersomniacLive, and you countered my other speculations rather logically and well, I shall assume you as much less scummy than I initially thought. "Could be very good scum" is where I shall leave you.

Unvote HypersomniacLive

Which then brings me to my second highest suspect - Lithrasil. For reasons already told.

Vote Lifthrasil

I really don't like how all of a sudden all attention has shifted to hunting serial killers instead of Mafia. Feels like an intentional twist and I believe scum to be either responsible or contributing to this in some way.




Today all of a sudden I am having a wave of crazy stuff coming up and I shall be very very busy. Please excuse me if I am gone for long periods of times (not days, no).

It must be magical inside your head. ;-)
I’m such a left brainer…I’m in awe of you right brainers.

I know, like I said I'm not putting too much weight on that. It's just something I found odd.


When I said "shady" I had in mind more "obscured" rather than "dastardly". If I'm not mistaken most areas of expertise are still unknown.


This question is WIFOM as hell. The answer, though, is "Yes! They absolutely would, especially if they are vouching for a person who will immediately flip as Town."


Sure, guess who is Town, by all means. That's almost as helpful as scum-hunting. I just found your certainty of drealmer's townieness quite far-fetched considering his play. As I said, if the situation was different I would have poked that at all, it happens. It just feels a bit far-fetched in this particular scenario.



This is somewhat true but so far I haven't seen anything from Lift that I wouldn't come to expect from him while weird bits and pieces accumulated around Dessimu.

I don't feel like voting for Lift today. If I have to do so right now I'd go with either Dessimu or Hunter. Even though I made a large case for Dessimu I actually prefer Hunter (I have some stuff on him as well, but will be able to spend more time on it after work) since he will provide context to more sub-plots (including Dessimu to some extent).

I will keep the vote in my pocket until later tonight when I have the time to expand a bit on Hunter, as well.

Yes, scum might do so quite openly. Depends on the player. Some players like to play it big.

As to why we don’t guess townies, we do but there is caution in how much to share. Sharing who you think is town entails some risk. If you are town, sharing this informs scum who other players trust and potentially makes them bigger NK targets. Currently, there is a player I’m fairly convinced is town, but I don’t want to place a target on their head. Most players remain neutral for me until I have a good reason to move them either way. Later in the game, there may come a time when openly sharing town reads is more beneficial.

Be looking forward to it. :)

@Dessimu He didn't try to pressure me or do hard questioning. He didn't even vote so wagon pushing seems a bit too extreme an allegation. If anything lift was pushing my wagon.


Lastly, depending on whether or not I have connectivity while traveling I might be away for 13 hours or so, so just give me a chance to get back and defend myself if I'm at the verge of lynch.